DISQUS

Paige · 1 year ago

i definitly like this season more than last season. the only thing that has really bothered this season so far is the weird thing with sylar and claire's brain... that was just... wierd to me...that we were like seeing a brain and sylar was touching it... i can't explain it, just WEIRD. Other than that, i'm liking it so far.

Gary · 1 year ago

I dumped it for good after the 3rd season premiere.

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

Paige, when it comes to a guy drooling over someone's open skull and brain--I don't think you have to "explain it." I get it!

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

The season has major suckage...but the writers are best with surprises and ironies.

FAST FORWARDS
I'm tired of premonition images (and, oh, super lame nondescript paintings) that tell me what "could" or "will" happen. And I'm tired of timelines and fixes to them. And after New York was saved at the end of Season 1, we still have Nathan on track to the presidency, which fulfills the initial vision of the future, which was supposedly mended.

So things are inevitable, images are re-interpetable, and the past/present/future can be tinkered with. THEN WHY BOTHER with the timescapes? If the story's supposed to be in four dimensions, fine--I love a good mind*#$@ once in a while. Just don't use it as the principle plot device.

IT'S THE PEOPLE, STUPID!
The series painstakingly introduced us to PEOPLE but it's uprooted the characters and immersed them in a boring solution of All Powers All The Time. Peter was a compassionate home health care worker. Tom was a cop trying to hold his marriage together. Suresh was a son trying to either walk in the legacy of his father or solve the mystery his father had hidden. See all the relationships? There are none--not even between the main characters (well, Ando & Hiro). You even have Mrs. Petrelli proclaiming her family ties to Sylar, and is there any warmth to it? The air got chillier at that moment than when Nikki-TRiplet freeze-dried a rose in her hands. Does anyone agree with me, the triplet story is lame and so is keeping this mouth-breathing actress on board?

THINGS I DON'T HATE
I'm not too keen on all our heroes becoming bad guys, and vise versa. There may be a balance in the universe--some say yin/yang. But yin should always be yin and don't you dare mess with my yang.

Oddly enough, the character signal we got from Tom forcing the Company members identities from Mrs. Petrelli--and she actually said it to him, was that if he did this, he would become what he hated (his father). This should have been the first hero to "go dark" but no, he's off in Africa talking to turtles.

I insist that my interpretation of Tom's wilderness scenario is better than what the writers have done. My take was that Tom had been thrown into a dreamscape prison like his father, or he, or Peter could create.

I like that Peter has become Sylar, and I like how it happened (Hey Vic, he wanted Sylar's innate power 'to understand how things work,' so that he could "un-unravel" the timeline.)

I saw Peter going dark back when he confronted Sylar, in the episode where Sylar pinned him and said "This is the part when most people scream." Once Peter got his game on, his face became ruthless and you could see he was manifesting Sylar's lust for power....I thought for sure Peter was going to "become" Sylar and would himself fulfill the scene where Hiro saw someone kill Isaac. Another case where MY story was better than the real one. :-)

HOW THE FUTURE IS FIXED
Peter somehow acquires the powers of the Haitan. He also acquires the powers of Daphne. He has Hiro's powers already. Now he combines these and runs all over the planet and all over time making all the NBC viewers *forget* what they've seen of Season 3. See? No muss, no fuss, no can-opener craniums.

Ed · 1 year ago

My family has given up on it, and my neighbors have given up on it. That first season was bizzare and fun, but now it's just bizzare. Too much anime, I'd like some realism, less characters, and especially less everyone-is-each-other's-brother-and-sister.

Sylar should have been the good guy in season 2. Peter should have died, and remain died. Balances on Hiro's as well as everyone else's powers should have been declared at the start of season 2. No lightning girl. They might as well of had Sarresh and the Cop married in season 2. It's trendy, and all the other shows do it. Come on, don't you want Heroes to be cool and popular?

Too much to name, too many others things to do then watch live NBC anime.

The only show I'm really looking forward to watch is Pushing Daisies. There's something about that show that's just plain-old simple fun.

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

Ed, great takes on all that. First Tom has domestic problems with his wife. Then Molly Has Two Daddies. Now he's coming out of his shell with a Comcast Turtle.

One more rant: STOP IT WITH THE HIRO & ANDY ANTICS & FRIEND TALK & GOOFY MUSIC.

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

{ANDO}

790 · 1 year ago

The wheels are falling off...

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jc in chicago · 1 year ago

I get your English....I've curved my neck like a hoot owl but sitll don't get

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790 · 1 year ago

That's the side view of the Heroes mobile with its back tire coming off.

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That's the best I can do with this pathetic computer technology! 8-)

Daniel · 1 year ago

I loved the first season and I honestly don't get all the hate for season 2. I thought it was good just got screwed by the writers strike like every other show. This season seems a bit much and is just going way out there. It's still entertaining and I still plan to watch every episode, but it's not on the top of my list anymore. There was a time it was competing with The Shield for me on what was better now it's fallen way behind.

baker2d · 1 year ago

Oh my gosh. Personally / and obviously it is a huge improvement to last season. But I am still really enjoying this season. I like the fact that it seems to be pacing in the more fun direction rather than keeping it strict.

I really like the ideas too, there using the whole present/ future very well and I love how things are getting flipped. I especially love sylar/gabriel and the fact that they have used the fact its a Hunger rather than him just being evil.

Great show.

Sean · 1 year ago

I am pretty tired of the "Save the Future" storylines, which basically all three seasons have been. I would like to see a season where they confront a crisis on the fly.

But overall I think this season is a major improvement from last season. Maybe not 100% on par to season 1, but not nearly as bad as everyone likes to make it out to be.

Basically, I think Vic is pretty much on point. Season 2 went too far in one direction, and they have swung it back too far in the other to compensate. Plus, I think they forgot that probably the best episode from Season 1 was Company Man, which dealt with the past, not the future.

They need to get back to that, and back to an equal balance of action and drama.

Ergo Proxy · 1 year ago

I've just finished episode 3, season 3... that's the worst writing and dumbest ideas that are being thrown left and right...

I said I'd give this season till the mid season ending... but it seems I cannot muster this garbage any longer...

I'm watching ONE more and then I'll announce it dead... I sat through season 2 and this season is even more retarded...

Change the name of the series from Heroes to LOSERS... and then... maybe then, I'll watch another episode... otherwise... won't it just die already?

Heath · 1 year ago

I'm starting to see a lot of plot holes--how did future Peter die? I thought he was indestructible thanks to Claire. Does Sylar hide his powers? Is that why Peter(s) couldn't get them?

heath

Ro · 1 year ago

All I know is that I don't feel satisfied watching the show. I get a headache trying to keep up with who has what power, etc. And since when can Cop Dude paint the future? Seems like everyone is capable of having more than one power, as it is convenient to the story line. I think that the first season was so awesome that the writers just can't top it. Now all they are doing is jumping the shark.

Mr.Carl.Lee · 1 year ago

I'll answer the question, Vic.

Things seem so chaotic because twists are happening in multiple phases of time. There's an onslaught of plot twists/holes now but I suspect things will die down as Peter and Parkman discover the sequence of events that lead to the future world.

There is a destination, but it's one I'm not willing to go to.

Kofi Outlaw · 1 year ago

This season is EXACTLY what we all wanted to see since season 1. You all claim that it was the Characters that made season 1 so special? Have you watched Season 1 recently??? MAJOR CHEESE FACTOR. We all were waiting for the super-powered showdown to save NYC and even that climax, while good, was a bit underwhelming.

Season 2 was a wash because it took SO long developing the characters and the story arch that we all were like "where's the action???" That's why only the last 3 eps of S2 were good, and why the show lost viewers

Now in S3 we have action, we have good twists and turns, good VILLAINS (Marlo from "The Wire?") and many of you are COMPLAINING ABOUT IT???? It just goes to back up what I always say about TV, which is that the audience doesn't know WHAT the hell it wants. Everybody is a wannabe critic who thinks they know how it could of been better. Write Tim Kring if you feel so strongly, then.

If you've "fallen off" the show, good riddance. Go watch Knight Rider. I while keep enjoying this thrilling season of a show I enjoy immensely.

mootaku · 1 year ago

I like the new season, but I fear that they need a continuity director. Episode 4 of Season 3 has so many flaws, it's as if the person that wrote that episode has never seen the show before. A minor issue is that Mohinder leaves a message on his digital recorder. That message then warps as it transitions to the future. Yet when they go back to the past, Mohinder leaves another message on the recorder. So apparently the last message Mohinder left that warped was the second to last entry? A major issue is the continuity of Peter. Claire shoots "future" Peter (with the scar) in the head. How did that kill him? He has Claire's ability and cannot die. So I thought "the Haitian must be there and he cannot heal" and in the scene where Future Peter and Present Peter are lying on a table, the Haitian is there so they cannot use their powers. Nathan comes in and dismisses Claire and the others out of the room. Present Peter cannot use his powers at first. But later in the scene, he can. So that would indicate that the Haitian is far enough away that powers can now be used. Yet Future Peter still lies dead on the table? That my friends is a continuity error. Present Peter SURVIVED A NUCLEAR BLAST when Future Sylar blew up. Yet apparently two bullets from Claire's gun can kill the Future (more powerful) Peter? Which leads me to perhaps the most ill thought out issue with this story arc. Why does Peter need Sylar's ability? HE ALREADY HAS IT! Maybe it is to "understand" the powers he has like Sylar, but you introduce the "hunger" aspect of it. Sylar kills the people in order to obtain their power. He does not have a thirst to kill for killing's sake. In Season one he even states (I'm paraphrasing), "Why would I blow up New York? I don't kill innocent people there is nothing in it for me." So you have established that he kills to get super's powers not JUST to kill. Yet Peter now has the "hunger?" He attacks and kills Future Nathan...Why? Peter does not need to examine another evolved person's brain to obtain their power...He just needs to be in close vicinity of them to absorb it. Also...HE ALREADY HAS NATHAN'S POWERS!!!!!! There is no rhyme or reason for him to do that. There may be a great desire in Peter now to have the powers of other people, but that hunger would be satisfied before it ever surfaced the moment he was close to them. I ask, do these guys not watch the show they write? Also no mention of West or Monica? At all? Season 2 had West as a key role in Clair's world. Now we have no idea what ever became of him. Not even the slightest of explanatory sentences to let the viewers know what happened? If he is being introduced later on, then that introduction will have no weight behind it since we have no idea where he is been this whole time. We have no idea the motives or emotions that took place when Claire and he separated. They need to hire a continuity director. If they have one, then I beg them to please evaluate their performance.

TalynRider · 1 year ago

For someone above, Future Peter died because The Hatian was nearby (Past Peter fell past him as he got away), thus stopping his regen power and allowing him to die, he's not like Claire or Adam, the power isn't in his blood. Peter is a mimic and there are boundaries.
I believe what Claire and Adam's power is, is a central piece to this seasons dilemma. Some of our Heroes are made and some are born with power is creeping up too.
I'm enjoying it but will admit to the show becoming a bit predictable (who didn't see Nathan swooping in to save Ali's character whatever her name is this episode) and saving the future is getting rusty. But wouldn't that be what ordinary people would do if they could?! How many times have you heard "if I knew then what I know now" I think the show is spinning out with it's original attraction. The characters, ordinary people doing not so ordinary things. The Superpower Pandora's Box has been opened and we are getting to see what happens.

mootaku · 1 year ago

TalynRider,

I appreciate the answer. So I guess one continuity error explained...thirty more to go.

Peter doesn't need Sylars powers, or didn't need to kill Nathan since he already had it, Peter wouldn't hunger kill fto feed the hunger since he can absorb their power without killing, No mention of West, No mention of Monica,

I'm sure there are many many more. Maybe the writer's strike brought in writers that never saw or were fans of the show?

Rob Keyes · 1 year ago

@Kofi,

read the 140+ comments to the heroes season 3 premiere thread, lol. It's pretty clear there what some fans do and more especially *do not* want, hehe.

Action is great...when its good. This is not. Everything that happened in the premiere was rediculous - it was a giant special FX test for no reason other than to appease fans who they thought all they wanted was that. Incorrect. All the characters, and more especially how they use the powers and their motivations were so fargone that the show's direction is all convoluted and in many cases, contradictory to what happened in previous volumes.

Season 1 was overrated which I think is the base for all these problems. The show/story has never been amazing, it just had a few amazing spots scattered.

Now its big cluster of random nonsense and contradictory threads.

So I don't think this season is anything we all wanted to see. We wanted the characters and powers used properly, not getting that, and a step away from the stop the future, still have that, and I think we all wanted a great properly paced story - and we're certainly not getting that (so far).

I think the only fix for the show is to get past this future changing crap, then have the company try to kill the time travellers and future-seers to prevent more timeline distortions (and the stupid plots for us fans).



On a side note, I watched episode 4 last night and I don't buy Claire with dark hair and trying to be bad.

They should consider dropping the Tracy Strauss story, Parkman's turtle-chasing future story, and everything related to Hiro and Ando. Unless they're somehow going to join in with the other characters.

Since every plot line is going awry, they should bring them all together and have them team up finally and work from there.

When we knew season 3 was to be called 'villains', the many Heroes podcasts kept going on about there being 12 villains escape or something and that sounded a little more exciting than 4 escaping and only 1 being left after 3 episodes.

Shaka · 1 year ago

There is nothing out there that will make me think that the season 3 is not good enough. Is the best season so far. People complain about everything, they are never satisfied. In response to the last message (mootaku) i have to say that 'copy' the power is very different of 'understand' it. The 'hunger' is hunger for knowledge and not to take powers from anyone. Please, don't 'create' some reason to not like this season...if you don't get it OK, but don't make any bad comment without think about it. Season 1 was great because was new stuff. The second was really bad because people want more action and less conversation. Now that we have more action....people have to invent an away to critic too.
Heroes RULES until now in this season 3.

Evie · 1 year ago

Yes, I have to agree that there are far too many continuity errors.

Like... how did future Peter get a scar anyway? Can't he HEAL?

I mean yeah, this past ep was pretty cool, but I have to TOTALLY suspend my disbelief in order to watch this show.

Rob Keyes · 1 year ago

How many people think the coolest part this season so far is seeing HRG and Sylar on a mission together to stop the 4 villains in the bank?

*raises hand*

I'm hoping alot of people liked that part - if so, that's my point. We want that - MORE of that and extend upon in. Have villains doing their plots and teams of good guys stopping them. The twist is who's on who's side like Sylar working for the good guys.

There really hasn't been much action as many are saying - there's been a lot of special effects - but not much power vs. power fights. I think that may appease alot of fans, but who knows.

I'm interested in seeing what this season is leading to, these 4 episodes have all been build-up in a sense.

Mitchell · 1 year ago

New season is definately falling short of the story and continuity of the previous two seasons...however i can't be too angry it introduced me too Chuck again...lol

mootaku · 1 year ago

Shaka,

I started the rant with the following, "I LIKE THE NEW SEASON."

I am not complaining and saying I hate the show. On the contrary I am complaining because I LIKE the show. The problem is that the creators and writers of the show are asking us to invest time and sometimes money to enjoy their product. We only need to suspend disbelief on certain aspects of the characters. They then tell us a story with rules if you will. They break their own rules (ie the continuity) and then still expect us to be okay with that. They say in two season "suspend disbelief that Peter and Claire can not die." We say "okay," Then they tell us "Peter can die." but offer no explanation as to why and how this can happen. That contradicts what they have asked from us before hand. "Suspend disbalief that Peter can absorb powers by being in close vicinity of super heroes." again we say "okay" now they say..."Peter can't absorb Sylar's powers unless he fixes a watch." and I say "HUH WTF?" and the list goes on.

If you want to turn off your brain and accept spoonfuls of whatever they want to feed you without accountability of any sort, then by all means... Watch the pretty pictures flashing on your screen and enjoy. To people that are fans of the show... Maintain continuity so that the whole premise of the show doesn't unravel. Continuity is important. That's why people couldn't accept that R2 hung out with obi wan since he was 17 then in Star Wars episode 4 obi wan had no clue who R2 was.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

This is a public service message from the guy who runs the site:

Keep the discussion civil - don't make me turn this car around. :-)

Seriously, let's not start with denigrating each other. I realize we're all passionate about our favorites but we can discuss our differences of opinion without resorting to insults.

Vic

mootaku · 1 year ago

Vic,

If that was aimed at me you are incorrect. I was not attempting to "insult" anyone. I am stating a fact. His argument is basically "don't complain about something that is good." My argument is that People that are into the details of the show have to call foul when they see it since they enjoy the show. You have to "turn off your brain" not because you are stupid, but in order to miss the obvious contradictions in the continuity of this latest episode. I apologize if that phrase offended you (although I can't see how), and will attempt to watch my phrasing in further posts.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

@mootaku (love that name, BTW)

Not aimed at anyone specifically - I'm just observing the tone of the overall thread.

Vic

blipvert · 1 year ago

I'm on board with all of those who mention the "Save the Future" plot lines. It is starting to get a little old. I understand the inclusion of time travel powers are going to bring that aspect but it's starting to wear thin.

The characters are still running around the same hamster wheel. I was hoping to see more cohesion by now. More solid lines of good and bad would be nice. The flip flop factor is getting to be a bit much.

I realize modern superhero stories are very gray and on the line. Look at recent marvel stories. No more black and white, good vs bad. (Hell I'm even starting to consider Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic as more villain based than heroes these days) It's all very gray and the lines are blurred so I understand a modern superhero story going that route. I was just hoping for more black and white I guess. Some throwbacks to the golden age of comics wouldn't hurt. I was hoping to see proper teams form by now. Maybe a cheesy shoutout to a superhero costume. That sort of thing.

It just feels like the writers are pulling their ideas from the same page and seem stuck after introducing time travel.

Don;t get me wrong, I'm an avid fan and will watch until the last episode.... I just hope that last episode doesn't involve repairing the future... yet again.

Daniel · 1 year ago

I have to disagree with Kofi. The audience knows exactly what it wants the problem is the audience is so big and not everyone wants the same thing. While a lot of people are screaming for more action I scream for more story development and Character depth. I have never cared that much about action.

Jamie Williams · 1 year ago

Looking at how the ratings are falling (badly I might add), HEROES is either dead at the end of this season or it returns for a 4th year completely re-tooled with few returning characters.

That, and Tim Kring gets fired as executive producer/show-runner.

Jamie.

Yvonne Murdoch · 1 year ago

I still cant get enough of it...sure it's faster than season 2 but you just have to follow and it will all become clear...have faith

wes · 1 year ago

The writers have definitely lost the strong character development of season one. The promised action buildup for this season hasn't yet delivered to me. The villians seem a bit weak considering all the hype. Sylar took them all out without trying. I didn't like them starting season 2 farther into the future was a bit screwed up. The changing a possible bad future twist is getting old. Are we going to start up another mile long rant on Heroes again?

SOy · 1 year ago

I got bored when it started as a 4400 episode.

S.Matt · 1 year ago

I have to say, I like this season. Seriously, though, guys-how can you not like Sylar this season? I really enjoyed the whole "taking control of the crime scene" bit outside the bank, and Future Gabriel. Just awesome. Though, I must say, I have to agree about Future Peter's scar, and that it shouldn't be there.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

I'm enjoying Sylar a lot this season, I think more than any of the other characters, who are seeming more and more wooden.

Vic

Bradley · 1 year ago

I didn't read all of the comments, but in case no one answered it.

The reason Peter is able to die despite "having" Claire's power is that he has to think of how that person makes him feel in order to use their power. At least that is the way his "flying" ability was explained all the way back in season one. He was able to fly when he thought about his brother.

Bradley · 1 year ago

Didn't quite complete my thought in the above post.

Since he has to think of how the person makes him feel to use their power, if he were "killed" quickly, he wouldn't have time to think of his feelings about Claire and use her ability.

princess · 1 year ago

Forgive me, but

@jc:

There is no Tom!! It's Matt, alright? Matt Parkman. You don't even have the character's name right.

Shaka · 1 year ago

@mootaku

I understand your point, i have no problem with "turn off your brain" lol.
But i have to desagree when you basicaly said that only real fans see the details. I have to agree with Daniel when he said:

"The audience knows exactly what it wants the problem is the audience is so big and not everyone wants the same thing."

I am a firm fan of Heroes and I look for the same thing what this season is offering. Basically everything in tv and cinema have continuity problems, but this don't mean that this movie or tv series have to be bad. That's what i want to say...

Anyway, this discussions is great. Congratulations to Screen Rant...

OBS: mootaku, we're fine lol.

sononsj · 1 year ago

"I’m actually not clear on what exact power Peter needed from Sylar since he (Peter) absorbs the super power of others just by being nearby."

What Peter needed was Sylar's power to understand the inner workings of things, an ability that would help him figure out the big plot. However, Sylar was purposely not letting Peter take his power at first because he didn't want Peter cursed with the "hunger" that comes with it. That was why Peter couldn't gain Sylar's power automatically, like he usually does.

Evie · 1 year ago

@Bradley

He has to think about it when he isn't around the person with the power.

He was clearly near Claire where thinking wasn't needed. Plus last season, wasn't he able to use lightening when he 'woke up'? But oh wait! They don't have to follow their own rules... ;o)

@Vic
Yes, Sylar is the saving grace this season. If it weren't for his character, the show would be total and utter crap.

steven the git · 1 year ago

*raises hand to Rob's comment*

Personally I loved the first season. I found a major difference to other shows was that I knew characters by name and who they were, not just what they can do. It was the characters that got me into this show, and the constant feel of building to something.

Second season I still enjoyed. Messy, yes, and would have liked to have seen more of some of the pairings, especially Parkman and Nathan.
Interestingly, the reaction in the UK wasn't nearly as displeased with season two. All I spoke to in different places enjoyed it. Maybe as we had heard the initial reaction from the States and were expecting less. Not sure.

As for this season, I'm into it again, but have to admit to being worried. Like others, it seems to me this time they're going too fast. So yeah, I'm dreading this turning into Mutant X!

But still, Sylar and HRG together is very cool. Two of the best characters by far - although still enjoy Hiro and Ando.
Popcorn? :D

Rob Keyes · 1 year ago

@Bradley,

umm...how did Peter think about healing with that shard of glass in his head back in season 1?

That theory doesn't hold in alot of ways - including Evie's point on the lightning he used without knowing he had it.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

Thanks for the Peter/Sylar clarification, guys.

Vic

BethAnn · 1 year ago

i think this season is actually a little over the top...i am sick and tired of the time traveling stuff...it's clear that the "future" is not really the "future" because of the way events pan out...so what's the point? i'd rather have them focus on things going on in the world now...it's beginning to get too confusing...also...the bennets are kind of like a soap opera...claire is annoying. also...i'm still confused as to who the heck this new peter is...is he peter in jessie's body? is he peter from the future? i'm probably about 2 more confusing episodes away from giving up on heroes completley.

Fadian · 1 year ago

Absolute trash. I loved series one though I felt it became somewhat ungrounded towards the end. Series two was a mess but compared to three it was genius. Ridiculous abilities (Knox, Future Peter hiding someone inside another person's body???!?!!), pointless plot twists (Mama Sylar, why bother?), characters returning from the dead, no coherent plot, serious retconning regarding peoples abilities, rehashed storylines (ANOTHER world/city destroying explosion).
Peter is a complete tool "LOL I can stop time but I think I'll just get beat up by this guy instead". His character, along with Sylar have been completely ruined (Sylar's "hunger") and Angela Petrelli is a pathetic bad guy.
I used to love Heroes but I'm seriously considering giving up with it. Episode 4 was so terrible. Even worse than episode 3.

John "Kahless" Taylor · 1 year ago

Peter was killed by Claire with a bullet in the chest?! I thought the only way to kill him or her was a bullet in the back of the head (or chop off their head)? The show is much faster paced than last season but all this is getting soo convoluted. Does Peter have Claire's power or not? If he does, how could he die and why hasn't that scar healed?

Parkman and Daphne get married? Now that's a union I wouldn't have thought of. And now the turtle is Parkman's guide; don't expect to get back to America anytime soon, Pacman. :-)

Like others said, I will continue to watch but man ol' man I am getting confused.

sononsj · 1 year ago

John "Kahless" Taylor: The Haitian, who can take others' powers away and cause memory loss, was standing close to Peter when Claire shot him, so his abilities weren't working at the time.

sononsj · 1 year ago

Ro: Matt (the cop guy) could paint the future because of what what he ate, combined with the headphones the African man gave him. It's not a natural power of his and he wouldn't be able to do it again on his own.

Rob Keyes · 1 year ago

sononsj,

does that mean the show is turning into non-gene oriented. The first season had the very cool element of basing it in reality and having alot of focus on the science of it.

Now its nothing like that at all, and you can eat nasty paste to have powers? Where was this paste before? Can the other characters buy it on ebay? lol. I wonder if they have a paste for lightning. And how about that music, I wonder if HMV carries that.

I wonder if the paste consists of that dude's blood. That's my only explanation.

Evie · 1 year ago

@sononsj

Yeah but as soon as the Haitian was gone, the powers should have kicked in

John "Kahless" Taylor · 1 year ago

@sononsj

And the Haitian is another continuity problem; in season 1, I believe, the Haitian and HRG were about to get Nathan but Nathan, in his pajamas, flew away. How did he do this when the Haitian was around him? Also, once the Haitian was gone, the future Peter's powers should have returned (reference Claire in 1st season when she was hit in the back of the head and died but once the shard was removed, she revived).

ParrotSoup · 1 year ago

I don't think you can argue continuity with future peter dying because no one knows whether or not he can still heal, he does have the scar after all. That has never been explained so its possible for him to have lost it at some point that we don't know of yet. I am pretty sure the haitian probably let nathan go. I mean i haven't watched season one in a while, but there was a grand conspiracy to put nathan in office that the company was working on and he works for the company. I also think the haitians power isn't just innate and that he has to control it. That would explain some things too.

I am much happier with this season than season 2. My biggest issue is with ali larter and whatever character they have her playing at the time. I feel like she is just signed on for like 4 season and they just move her around because every storyline they put her in sucks. My second biggest issue? Why did magneto unlock the safe instead of just ripping the door off. And lastly, one thing that bugs me is that parkman hasn't used his awesome mind warping ability since with his dad and now it seems like everytime he tries to use his plain ol' reading ability everyone can get around it. I think parkman should be better at mind control stuff than peter or anyone else. Its his freaking ability!

ParrotSoup · 1 year ago

also, when i say, "no one knows if he can still heal" I mean, i don't remember a time that he did.

mootaku · 1 year ago

After reading these other great catches (like season 1 Nathan flying away from the Haitian) It is painfully clear that my original statement stands. This show needs a continuity director. I wonder how I could apply for that position. I am WAY more qualified than who they now have...I actually watch the show. I have seen EVERY episode of EVERY season. I seriously doubt their current continuity director can say the same thing.

and @ the person that said "He has to think about that person's power to use it." You are incorrect. He has to think about that person to draw upon certain powers. The ability to heal is a passive power that is available to him. There was a shard of glass in his head for a while while his dead body lay on the living room couch. Claire pulled it from him and we have alive Peter....No thinking in that process. Also after Sylar took that power from Claire, he was shot several times by Noah and he survived it without thinking of Claire.

John "Kahless" Taylor · 1 year ago

@ParrotSoup

I like this season as well but I can't help but see these problems. I'm a huge Star Trek fan and I can point out many continuity problems with it (mostly because Braga and Berman were idiots). I'm hoping the writers are leading up to something. I also hope they somehow mature-up Hiro (he's really getting annoying).

Roberto · 1 year ago

So far I really like season 3, although I do understand if some people haven't like certain things about it.

Ever since I watched season 1, I have become a fierce fan of Heroes. It has become my favorite show. One thing that always worried me was that, after such a great first season, how could the show get much better? To me, season 2 wasn't the best, but it was not bad at all. I agree that the action was a bit slow and that hurt the show when the season had to be cut short. Still, I considered it to be like a "pause and breathe" to get ready for what's to come in season 3. (Too bad they didn't get to do the whole virus story line, and all that followed. But it still works. And I don't see anything wrong with Molly being taken care by Suresh and the cop. They both loved her, and she needed help, so whats the problem?)

Season 3 it's really good so far. I like all the surprises, but I am, let's say, "cautiosly excited" about the season right now. I am a bit concerned that, with so many twists and turns, the show could soon take a turn for the worse. I hope not. Right now, the biggest concern I have, in terms of the plot specifically, is what, exactly, was the future Peter's role in terms of the future's disaster. So far I think his involvement was in shooting Nathan, and indirectly allowing Syler to take Claire's power. I say this in light of what Angela told him, that he had changed the future. Was she mainly talking about the villains that escaped? What role do they have in the future's calamities? (By the way, I am not so fond of everyone saying that Claire cannot be killed.) Also, what was that dream that Angela had all about? (the one where she sees Claire's head been cut off?) Also, I don't know what to think of Nicki's triplet storyline. I am not glad that Nicki died, but I like to see Ali back in the show. I just hope everything that is happening is going somewhere without the show contradicting itself at some point. That is just a concern, but not necessarily a belief of mine. We'll just have to wait and see... Go Heroes!

Hawkie · 1 year ago

Here's my theory on why future Peter didn't revive:
Claire's powers don't work when whatever foreign object that killed her is still 'embedded' in her body. Same with Peter in the earlier seasons. Peter was very much dead, before Claire pulled out the large shard of glass lodged in the back of his head. He coughed and revived pretty much right after. Perhaps the bullets from Future Claire's gun haven't been removed? That might be why Future Peter is still dead. I still don't know how to explain the scar issue though...^^"'

790 · 1 year ago

Perhaps Peters scar is a mental one?

Roberto · 1 year ago

Ever since season 1 we have known about future Peter's scar, so this is not a new concept. I think Peter somehow will lose the ability to regenerate at some point. That would also explain how he got killed when Claire shot him. Having the bullets in his body should not be an impediment if he could regenerate. Remember Sylar also got shot by Noah, and his body pushed the bullets out and Sylar revived...

TalynRider · 1 year ago

Everyone is missing a critical piece on this "How can Peter Die" scene. The Haitian was 20 feet from him. In the scene, Past Peter stumbles over someone as he is running away and we get a quick shot of a surprised Haitian who was hiding behind the 2 Peters. The Haitian blocked all of the powers nearby thus not allowing Future Peter's mimic ability to work. It's like this, if a lamp (Peter) is plugged in and the light it emits is Peter's powers then when you unplug it the light stops. If you break the bulb and then plug it back in does the light come back on? No. Same situation here. The scar is something I think that may have happened the same way, his powers were blocked and since he only mimics an ability and doesn't truly have it, when he's plugged back into his powers he can't fix something that was broken during the power outage.
Regarding the past scene when he had the glass in his head, he never had his powers turned off so the active regen power was still there working; but couldn't work around the glass to make him whole till it was removed. The power was still on so he could heal once the impediment was removed. Same thing when Sylar was shot, the power wasn't turned off so it did it's thing and he lived.

Leaf · 1 year ago

Why don't people just wait and see if these anomalies are cleared up later in the series. For instance, we are waiting for appearances from Molly, Monica and West. Also do people think Adam will come back? Didn't Sylar shoot Maya in season 2?
Is confusing but one thing is becoming clearer: the Haitian is central to everything.
Just seems silly for fans to criticise it for lack of overall coherence, I mean it is such a headf*ck of a programme that it will takes most of the season for things to fall into place, with loads of "Oh I get it now" moments.
Either that or it will blow massively

Daniel · 1 year ago

Dude WTF? Are you saying don't have an opinion about anything until the entire show is done? People can form an opinion at any time they want during the season. That's why the topic is asking what we think of Season 3 SO FAR AS IT IS.

CanuckLou · 1 year ago

This show is the poster child for how NOT to use time travel. That plus characters behaving stupidly and against their nature to fulfill plot points all show the writers do not understand the genre they are writing in.

Power without a price - a personal price that is - makes for uninvolving stories, which is exactly what has happened in the third season.

What a fall from grace this show has had.

Daniel · 1 year ago

Season 3 while still entertaining has become a disaster. As it's been pointed out the characters are acting well out of character. They area also wearing out the everyone is connected thing way to much. The Twist with Sylar is just to much at this point. Next week we find out Parkman is really Peter's dad lol.

Caz · 1 year ago

@Leaf

We've already seen molly in the 4th episode when matt see's the future.

Adam gets dug out of the coffin by Hiro and Ando at the end of ep 4

Sylar did shoot Maya but Mohinder gave her claire's blood as proof to Sylar of the healing powers.

Otherewise I agree...how many people got season 1 untill the end of it?

I'm enjoying season 3...and I reckon things will fall into place eventually

And for everyone else...Future Peter didn't heal because the Haitian was there..which is why Present Peter couldn't simply fly away later.

I'm not sure about in the hospital later, but doesn't it take a while to heal from injuries like that anyway?
Or if the formula is out, then could they have just freezed future Peter's abilities...
Just a thought is all
xD

Seriously though, if you don't like it why watch it, then bother coming to a site to read about it, just to moan....too much effort for something you don't like surely?

Daniel · 1 year ago

Because they did like it and they hate to see it go downhill.

Roberto · 1 year ago

The twist with Sylar being Angela's son actually did not bother me. Remember how they kept saying in Season 1 that the whole thing with the "bomb" exploding in New York was a plot, a plan engineered by some (in the company). It seems to me that everything had been planned for years, and that Angela, as well as Linderman and others, had been manipulating Peter, Nathan, and even Sylar and others. So, the fact that Syalr is related to Peter and Nathan actually makes me understand better how Angela, Linderman, and the company were able to manipulate, or almost, manipulate them to carry out their plan.

JC in Chicago · 1 year ago

If the Haitian wanted to, he could conceivably do a complete erasure of Peter's memory and Peter's mimicking ability would have to start over.

I'd like to meet the Water guy that was mentioned when HRG went to Russia.

Sorry you people.
Tom = Matt
Tom = Matt
Tom = Matt
Matt = Boring

As much as I hate the timeline obsession, I wouldn't mind if somehow Molly, Monica, Micah, Maya and West suddenly vanished in some sort of tachyon rift that removed them from our timeline.

SOy, I couldn't agree with you more about the series becoming the 4400 (with super serum for EVERYONE!) When everyone has powers, no one is special. Worse yet, when everyone has powers, each character gets stranger and stranger powers. Worse yet, when everyone has powers, it's frelling BO-RING!

blaise · 1 year ago

I agree that the main problem with the show right now is continuity and contradiction. Another example of this is how Hiro has power over time, not just stopping it but pushing it forward and rolling it back as we see him doing in his office before Ando comes in. The only time Hiro can not fully control his time pausing ability is when he doubts it, like when he was getting the sword early on. This should not currently be a problem as he is fully manipulating time in his office just moments before "the formula" is stolen. So he doesn't just slow time really slow he fully manipulates it.

One thing I hate about Peter is that he wouldnt have to run from anybody in the future except the Haitian. It shows that he has very precise teleportation abilities so he can go anywhere in the world at any time. Or he could even stop time like he did in the first episode of S3 when he took the gun from Claire. Hmm lets see what else, oh yeah he can turn invisible, read minds, control minds, fly, shapeshift(as in to past Peter w/out the scar), and basically do anything anyone else can do, even the Haitian because he has been around Peter not using his ability so Peter would have absorbed it too. Obviously future Peter has absorbed even more abilities so this running from anyone, especially Claire, doesn't make sense.

I agree that future Peter is probably not dead just cant recover until the bullet is removed from his head, much like the glass or the shard or any number of things that the healers have done.

Sylar is the only thing saving this season right now for me, much like the Hiro/Adam Monroe story did for me in season 2.

Leaf · 1 year ago

Thanks Caz. You obviously didn't use your superpowers to see that I'm in Britain and am, therefore, one episode behind.
However, thanks for telling me what happens in episode 4...
Adam Monroe is quality, as is Sylar. Still about the Haitian.
Oh and Dan, thanks for explaining what what SO FAR means. What a putz! I have an opinion, I love it. That is why I watch it, come on this website to see what other people make of it etc.

DRII · 1 year ago

The show is becomming more and more ridiculous, gruesom, and salacious. The storyline seems more jumbled and incoherrent than ever. "Heroes" now makes about as much sense as a Spike-Lee screenplay. (Anyone who has seen Miracle at St Anna will know what I'm talking about)

Caz · 1 year ago

Sorry Leaf...
I'm in Britain too thoughh
I just sort of watch ahead....
I forget that other people in Britain are behind...
As seen as I watch it like a day behind america xD (well half as some of america is like half a day behind us...or something a bit like that :S)

But I do agree with you
One of the whole points of heroes is
You're not supposed to get it...
Well not yet
And I'm sorry to any genius' reading this..
But I'm not smart enough to predict the future

I reckon they should bring West back
He would make an awesome villain
And I would like to see where that would leave Claire
(:

Roberto · 1 year ago

I for one am not dissapointed on the show, and really am enjoying Season 3. I agree that, just like with Season 1, we are supposed to feel confused. That's part of what makes the show interesting. It's good to shake things up a bit, instead of making it all too predictable. Again, though, my only fear is for the show to leave plot holes or contradict itself. Well, I should add a "too much" to that last sentence, since practiacally all series or movie sagas end up with some continuity problems and/or plotholes... To those of you who, like me, enjoy Season 3 so far, I am happy for you. If you don't like Season 3, though, you can be patient to see if it gets better, or maybe just watch movie instead :)

Hara · 1 year ago

Season 3 is disjointed and confusing. There is no plot or rather there are too many plots. I don't understand why they added the character of speed girl. She does not add anything to the show. Mohinder is becoming some sort of whacked-out spiderman. I can't make out why future Peter is dead and what is going on with the present Peter. They have ruined the relationship between Peter and Nathan, which is the crux of the show. And the future Sylar is a father making waffles for his son???!!!! This is horrible writing. Season 3 has so many tangents that it has lost the heart of the show. I was interested in the science of the genectics and hosw these abilities came about. This question has not been dealth with nor answered in Season 3. Hiro kills Ando???!!!! This is probably why the world is destroyed. Hiro thinks he must kill his innocent best friend to save the world. What kind of thinking is that????? Hiro has just sowed the seeds for world destruction. He has fallen into the self-fulfilling prophecy. I think Tim needs to stop the airing of Season 3 and rewrite the show. Season 3 is horrible!!!!!!

Roberto · 1 year ago

I give you the thing with Ando. I wasn't happy at all that Hiro killed him, but I am actually hoping that things are not what they look like, as it is the case usually with this show.

Roberto · 1 year ago

To complete my idea posted above, I am thinking that maybe Hiro has a plan. It could be that, for instance, he thinks he can get ahold of the half of the formula that he lost. Once he does this, he can go to the past, give that half to himself and that way Ando doesn't have to die. Something like that, maybe (I'm no writer). Maybe it was easier for Hiro to do something like this, since, apparently, he was pretty convinced already that Ando would kill him in the future anyway. (This doesn't mean I am defending him for what he did.)

huntthejest · 1 year ago

Thank you Princess! I thought I was going to have an anneurism because like 4 people kept referring to Parkman as Tom when his name is, in fact, Matt. Maybe the reason no one really knows his name is because no one cares. He's a negligible character at best. The writers keep coming up with ways to tie him into the storyline, but its forced. He isn't necessary to the grand scheme of things the way they're writing it. And the whole deal with Sylar and Peter switching places-pisses me off. Its like, saying, "Oh, sorry for never developing the story lines we started and giving no closure to them whatsoever, so we're gonna start something completely new to distract you and move on. But don't worry, it'll be full of save the future, everyone's related somehow, morally ambigious twists. Are they heroes? Are they villains? God, its gotten so stupid. I have ten thousand questions, and I have a feeling they'll never answer them. The why future Peter died question is simple. With the Haitian present, it rendered him powerless, and he died. That's how he got the scar. That's why when present day Peter returned, he still had the cuts that future Claire gave him. He can't heal retroactively. Evil Claire is one of the few things I dig, because its not a stretch. She turns because of her father's constant deception, and decides to create her own absolutes after he knocks off people who are just misunderstood to "protect his family." Anyone else tired of hearing HRG backing up his terribly motivated morally depraved actions with, "I'm doing it for my family." I loved at the end of season one, when he became real for a brief time. "Call me Noah," and then season two's like, "Uh, wait, no, he's still not a good guy." Uggghh!! Oh, and a great question, what happened to Micah, and Molly, and Monica, and Caitlin? All the others were mentioned, except that poor little Irish girl that got stuck in the future with the virus, and somehow Peter was in love with her yet forgot all about her. Oh, and why bring back Maury Parkman, and Linderman and Adam Monroe? I mean, Malcom MacDowell's awesome, but that's no reason to screw with continuity. I get that he's a hallucination, but why pick that form? I mean, he could've used Peter to get to Nathan, or Claire. Jeez. Oh, and please, get rid of Claire's fake mom somehow(she's annoying, and plus, that could be the final thread tying Claire and HRG that turns her evil.) Please let Nathan and Tracy save Mohinder! He's one of the few truly good people on the show. I mean, Matt's a good guy, but he's so boring nobody cares. Mohinder needs to be human again. He shouldn't be a villain. When they said they were going to do a season 3 called villains, I thought that meant that the characters we'd seen all along in "heroes" were going to have to fight these mysterious other people with powers, that would use them to harm people. When they showed the level 5 rogues gallery, I was like, heck yeah, Peter and the gang are gonna have to lock them back up, and become real heroes! But no, no its all wrong! And enough of the "everybody's-related to-everybody-else" crap. Its creepy. The Petrelli family might as well take credit for all superpowered people. I mean, maybe Maya is just the result of a fling Arthur had while he was chilling in south america. BTW that was one thing I really enjoyed about season 3 so far. Mohinder hit that, and he hit it good. So, maybe, they'll fix it all somehow, but I doubt it, unless they make me a writer. It would be awesome if Sylar really is nathan's brother, but he and Peter were switched at birth, so Peter isn't a Petrelli at all. Angela just took him in because she knew he'd be more powerful than both her sons. And then, it won't be totally creepy when him and Claire hook up(you know its gonna happen). As far as the speedy chick(whose name I haven't bothered to learn yet) I like the idea of introducing her to make Parkman a real person again. The spirit-journey, kinda gay, but maybe necessary. Maybe this is him coming into his own, and he'll be a real hero finally. Hiro and Ando? No complaints. These guys can do no wrong. They're the light-hearted relief of the show, that eventually become the heartbreaking friends-turned-enemies. I don't think Hiro really killed Ando. After all, dude can control time. He might have frozen time, said, "Hey Ando, look really hurt when I used this plastic sword to burst the ketchup packets I filled your shirt with" and then played it out so he could prove he was "very bad-ass." God, that line killed me. (Seemingly not as much as it killed Ando) but it was hilarious.

Evie · 1 year ago

Holy Wall of text, Batman!

No, Hiro didn't kill Ando. I have a link that explains what happened if you guys want me to post it.

huntthejest · 1 year ago

Dude, the wall is vast, but that's the size of the problems season 3 has.

Shelley · 1 year ago

I thought Peter soaks up power when he is NEAR someone--it's just when he is NOT NEAR someone that he has to think about how they make him feel. Hence, he was NEAR Claire when she shot him, so even if it was a fast death, he should've just healed because she was near!
What the show is missing is the connection between people emotionally. It's all about powers. We don't see the love between Claire and her uncle or dad(s), Matt is alone, Hiro and Ando are mistrustful of each other, no Nikki and Micah--there is no "human" element to the characters this season and I think that's why it suffers.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I agree with you, Shelley, to some extent only. The mistrust Hiro feels towards Ando is already part of that human element you (and we all) look for. It feels like we are missing some of that "human element" that we had in Season 1.

On the other hand, not all of the human elements have to bee good. Aside from the Hiro and Ando relationship, we have Peter's conflict with his mother and his brother, Sylar. He has to deal with the fact that future Sylar was a good guy but he still doesn't trust him in the present (and hates him). In addition, Nathan's own conflict with his mother. We also have Claire's mixed emotions about her father and Sylar. I loved when she was forced to hold on to Sylar, the monster that tortured her. And also Claire's realization that not everything they say about these "villains" is necessarily true, as was the case with the guy who creates vortexes. So, there is plenty of emotions around, in my opinion. It may be that there are so many things happening that it takes a while to digest it all.

le dantro · 1 year ago

if you ask me its become dry and lifeluss. no more creativatey than a tin of smart price beans. its like someone just piked a hat full of ideas they didnt create or understand and through them all in to one series. was a fan of some sorts. im kind of gutted i didnt suport series two now because this is just boring for me. i can get this feeling of mediocracy from the soaps i dont wach, and dont respect.


dissapointed

mootaku · 1 year ago

This latest episode AGAIN has continuity errors.

So Sylar who stole the power of super hearing from the rap listening grease monkey in season one...COULDN'T hear the conversation between Noah and the portal black guy at the end of the episode?

I mean he was less than 50 feet away.

Hiro kills ando? for no reason. Oh wait they mentioned a group Daphne was starting with absolutely no build up or establishing desire within Hiro?

I give this show one more episode and if they don't fix these blatant errors...I'm done.

mootaku · 1 year ago

Oh and to the people that think they can comprehend Future Peter's death.... They have established with Peter that he can retroactively heal himself without thinking of the person when a Piece of glass was in his head. Many many hours later Claire removed that glass and he revived. Haitian or not....He can heal after being dead. The moment the Haitian is gone, according to the lore they have established, he would heal the moment the Haitian was gone.

Shelley · 1 year ago

I guess, Roberto, maybe "human element" isn't the right phrase. As you've pointed out, there ARE a lot of human traits that run through it. I guess I'd just like to see the positive connections in there more. Claire can be confused about her dad or wonder what is going on with Peter but making her so mistrustful takes away from her appeal--makes her a little more one-dimensional perhaps--and there is little rooting value. Where before you could see the goodness brought out by her family, making her a killer in hopes of adding a layer to the character just helps erase what we like about her most--her good heart and lovingness. Nikki had undying love for Micah but they are gone. Nathan hasn't had a wife or family to keep him grounded since season one--now its all turmoil with his mom and brother and Claire. Matt is alone, Suresh is basically a loner dealing with his own turmoil in a vacuum, the Heroes introduced last season and this season have no connection to the people already on canvas and that makes them hard to accept. I think just too many jumps to the future (and Hiro's drawn-out and fruitless jump to the past last year) in orfer to add layers for us to "figure out" have taken away from the opportunities to be invested in the actual characters.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

Sci-Fi Channel chimes in on this:

A "Heroes" Intervention http://twurl.nl/shhg30

:-)

Vic

John "Kahless" Taylor · 1 year ago

Vic, that link took me to an HP site to download a file for an HP printer. I tried it twice and got the same thing.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

@John

Sorry about that, don't know how it happened. I've fixed the link. :-P

Vic

John "Kahless" Taylor · 1 year ago

Got it! And I agree, Tim Kring and company need to take notes. I thought about maybe an alien invasion where the players (good and bad) had to band together to fight an impending attack but that has killed a number of shows.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I see your points, Shelley, and I don't dissagree with you. And, although I still like Season 3, I also remain "cautious" about my excitement for the show, because it seems like things are right now at a point where either everything will go to hell and the show will make no more sense, or things will finally start falling into place. I have hopes that it will be the latter one, of course. I don't dislike the twists and surprises, I just want it all to make sense in the end. And I want to see more of the relationships between Nathan, Peter, Claire, Sylar, etc. other than the fighting. And I would like to see more of Molly and Michah playing a role on the story, if they will at all.

Thanks for the link, Vic. I like what Sci-Fi had to say, although I may not agree with some stuff. Mostly, though, I agree that the show should take time to also consider more simple situations in daily life and how our heroes/villains deal with them. Not everything should be about saving the world... Stopping all trips to the future/past? Not so sure about that. I think time travel may still be used, depending on the way it's handled. But no overuse of anything is the key.

I always thought, since season 1, that with so many possibilities, it would get really hard for the writers to figure out where to take the story next (unless they already have most of the plot planned out for several seasons or more). So many people have such diverse abilities. And there are such complicated characters like Peter, who absorbs others' abilities. It would be really hard not to run into a contradiction, trying to keep track of all the powers that Peter has. Same with Sylar.

Vic Holtreman · 1 year ago

I thought tonight's episode was quite good, although I'm still not buying the extreme villain/hero reversal in some of the characters. It's too extreme.

Vic

790 · 1 year ago

Damn was Heroes on tonight?

Where am I ?

Daniel F · 1 year ago

The reversal thing would be ok if it didn't just take characters and destroy them. People don't change so drastically in life for the most part. I mean basically at this point some of the characters are so different that the only thing about them that is the same are the actor and the name. Peter went from the most moral and the most "good" of them all to suddenly and evil super villain ? Sylar doing the opposite ? Sorry can't buy it.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I liked the episode too, and some scenes made me laugh, hehe :)

On a semi-jokingly note: Shall we expect to hear pretty soon the lines: "Save the villain, save the world"? (If you watched tonight's episode, you may know what I mean.)

Roberto · 1 year ago

About the heroe/villain thing, it seems like, for the most part, I am defending the show, but anyway... I think Sylar's change is extreme, yes, but not totally unprescedented. Remember in Season 1 how he didn't want to become a monster and blamed (and killed in the end) Mohinder's father for "making" him this way (i.e., blaming him for awakening his "hunger", which is what future Sylar did to Peter)? He also went to his adoptive mother and tried to quit his old ways, but even his mom tried to kill him after he got carried away with the snow globes...

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

FIND THE SILLIEST CLAIM

Angela: Peter, you're my special boy.

Angela: Sylar, you're my special boy.

Angela: Nathan, you're my boy, but not special.

Mr. Petrelli, Peter, I'm your living father. You were my special boy, but now I'm your special dad.

Darth: Luke, I am your father.

Yoda: Luke, I am your mother.

Jabba: Yabba Roh hhee nharr ya garr, ho ho ho
(Han, you are my larva, ho ho ho)

Credulity: Ow, you're straining me!

Gilbert Gottfried: Son of a bitch!

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

Seriously, I like how they're making some sense of the lines of power.

There are some powers that can be grouped together, and some of those have family lines. There are mimicking powers (Sylar, Peter, Monica).

There are mind powers. (Matt & his father, Angela, Charles DeVeaux, Molly)

There are visual powers-the shapeshifter/illusionist, Invisible Man.

There are characters whose powers involve changing the physical environment (the gold guy, frigid Nikki, DL, the object dissolving guy).

There are motion powers (flight, running fast) and healing powers.

There are energy release powers (nuclear man, Elle).

There are time and space powers (Hiro, vortex man)

How do these powers interrelate? How are they passed on? Why did Nathan have infused powers? Is an eclipse integral to the existence of Heroes? (The main logo, the 2nd Season eclipse in ancient China)

What powers did Hiro's father have? (Speculation: the ability to be in many places at the same time. Like Multiple Man. Each instance of him would be slightly out of phase with the others, but for all practical purposes, they could operate in complete unison.

John "Kahless" Taylor · 1 year ago

@JC
It looks like their powers are artificial; given to them by Dr. Zimmerman. Now where the parents powers come from, Kring only knows.

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

John,

I believe Mrs. Petrelli said that Sylar and Peter's powers were hereditary, while Nathan's (and the Nikki triplets) were induced.

Ergo Proxy · 1 year ago

Well, you know...

I've officially given up on this show... it's drowning and I don't like to see good people get dragged through hell and drown...

This show is an example to everyone just how horrible it can become.

Heroes is suffering from the dumbest writers in the history of writers...

They've dealt with story lines in the most amateuristic ways, trying to fool the viewers into forgetting all the past errors, by simply not mentioning them.
Like copy cat girl... The grandmother Uhura, how Parkmans dad ever got out of that mind trap he put him there... so many things have become so stupid, bordering idiotic, that I am just waiting to see the headline "HEROES CANCELLED".

This whole new idea of "genetically enhanced humans" just makes me sick to my stomach... it's become more 4400 than Heroes... suddenly it's just lost its own identity...

It went from amazing to ridicules to appalling...

This show is hurting the actors... Sylar is a joke, Hiro is a pain in the neck... you'd think he'd mature... and what the hell was that killing Ando scene for?

New characters coming in and old ones being forgotten... such bad writing..

So, we're not talking about genetically enhanced humans with supernatural powers (X-Men and 4400 comes to mind, been there done that)

In so many ways the show is trying to wipe out the existence of it's first season.

Dr. Suresh was the voice the morality the philosophy in the show in it's first season...

The entire idea of EVOLUTION (Season 1) was what made it special... it was unique... now... it's a discounted version of an idea that died a horrible death...

Heroes has become the perfect example to use in lectures and seminars on WHAT NEVER TO DO in this business.

This show is dead to me...

Roberto · 1 year ago

Jc:
I agree that not everyone has "synthetic abilities", as Mrs. Petrelli calls them. Future Peter explained to younger Peter that not everyone was born with abilities, some of them were made (he didn't say everyone was made that way).
About Hiro's father, I think his power was similar to Sylar's power, but maybe without the hunger that Sylar has. Hiro's father had the ability to see all the variables and predict the outcome, just like Sylar (that's why Peter wanted to learn how to use Sylar's power, so he could know how to change the future). Hiro's dad's ability is mentioned in the Season 2 dvd.

Roberto · 1 year ago

About the deleted scenes, that is one thing that has always bothered me about some shows. The deleted scenes sometimes help explain things that on the show, at first glance, happened too suddenly or came from nowhere. For instance, when Hiro and Ando all of the sudden said to Daphne that they were bad asses now and wanted to join the "army" they were building. I am guessing there was some scene that built up to this, and we never saw it. I have already seen that at the beginning of episodes, on some of the "recaps", they show scenes that we actually never saw on the airing of previous episodes. Although I can't think of the actual words, one of them involved Angela tellin Sylar something about how he was special or how she was going to help him or something like that... Maybe someone else knows what I am referring to.

jc in chicago · 1 year ago

Roberto (or anyone),

Are you saying that S2 DVD has a special feature that explains "Hiro Senior's" gift?

Joe Bua · 1 year ago

No, certainly not awesome.

http://iamatvjunkie.typepad.com/i_am_a_tv_junki...

Roberto · 1 year ago

JC:
I believe it was a deleted scene on the episode where Hiro's father gets killed by Adam, but I may be wrong about this episode. I remember Ando is with Hiro's father and he tells Ando that he has a special ability. Then he says that that is why he is so good with the stock market. They show him reading the paper and then (somehow) been able to put the information together... It's a little hard to explain, but I know I saw it on the DVD, because I never saw Season 2 when it was aired on tv.

Tiffany · 1 year ago

The last two seasons, I couldn't get enough of Heroes. This season, I'm having a hard time watching it.

It seems much more cheesier to me this season. Not only is the plot predictable, but it is also ridiculous with all the dumb things that they have thrown in the mix...

mootaku · 1 year ago

I think Tiffany is right. Although there are moments I like in this new season, as a whole....It is more and more difficult to watch. I find myself tuning in in the hopes they fix or explain their errors rather than tuning in for the entertainment value.

They keep introducing elements that contradict the first initial set of rules that they asked us to suspend disbelief on. They established that evolution is taking the next step and giving a select few powers. Yet every week we are introduced to a random collective of people with powers that do not fit into the twist they have where in the "company" genetically altered the DNA of people.

So which is it? Was Mohinder's father right or was it planted by doctors? If it was given to doctors...Then how did the guy in Africa, the radioactive dude in season one, the many criminals with powers they introduced in this season, and West (whom they have yet to mention) get their powers?

Is it both?

Too many balls in the air. In an attempt to constantly have a twist....They dilute their own credibility until their is barely any more taste...Just watered down eye candy.

Twin Peaks painted themselves into a corner in the same manner.

Roberto · 1 year ago

It is both.

Some people were born with their abilities. Other's have "synthetic abilities", that is, they were not born with abilities but were experimented on (like Tracy and Nathan).

Notice it has been mentioned several times on the show now that some people's bodies were "ready" to receive abilities. Like Angela told Nathan, given his lineage, they thought his system could take the synthetic ability, and they were right. Mohinder said something similar to Peter in the last episode: his body is "primed" for abilities, because of his genetics. On the other hand, people like Tracy just got lucky, since, at least so far, she hasn't shown any side effects. Mohinder, on the other hand, has had a bad side effect. (Maybe Niki's multiple personality syndrome was a side effect too.)

krissy · 1 year ago

SPOILERS* just 2 let everyone no peter losses his power and 2 me i think everything has fallen into place i mean the whole plot of da show is thatthey must save the future but i still love all the seasons and season 2 is excelent + i love season 2 everyone has writers block sometimes BUT PLEAZ GET HIRO AND ANDO 2 DO SOMETHIN BETTER THEY ARE SOO ANOYING :]

scot · 1 year ago

Regarding future Peters death. dont you think that maybe the bullet is still in his head, thus restricting him from reviving himself. Claire couldnt come to life until the glass was removed. This to me seems a logical answer.

krissy · 1 year ago

it probably is because future peter stil hasnt woken up yet but he probably will wake up PS BOTH PETERS ARE HOT!!!!!!!!! :]

KageLord · 1 year ago

The latest episode "ties things together" but actually ends up making more continuity errors.

And yes, I agree, Future Peter could not heal from being shot because the bullet was still in him. But, since both Present Peter and Nathan know how his power works, either of them could have removed the bullet and brought him back.

One new one is that in "Don't Look Back", Angela claims she found him on the floor of the bathroom. It makes no sense for her to lie since if Peter tells Nathan, it ends with them both finding out that it wasn't heart attacks or suicide attempts, but something she's hiding. Also, Peter says he had 2 heart attacks before the one that killed him and Angela says all 3 were suicide attempts (though we now know they weren't). And then, we have Nathan's entry and discovery of his father. Why wouldn't Angela just have the Haitian erase Nathan's memory so that they could get rid of Arthur without interruption?

Also, Elle's supposedly been trained to be an agent since she was eight, not four.

And I don't remember who, but someone suggested that Sylar should have heard Noah and Stephen Canfield (vortex guy) because he had super hearing. The explanation of that is that he lost all of his abilities except for his original one when he was hit with the Shanti virus and even when he healed, he didn't get them back, which is why he used only telekinesis with Claire and was so excited to see Noah's files. But, this brings to mind another continuity error. If he lost all his powers, how did he still have telekinesis? And later how does he have Isaac's painting precognition?

And yes, I know I used a lot of "and"s and "also"s, but I'm too tired to come up with good writing right now, so... yeah. XD

KageLord · 1 year ago

And so sorry to double post, but I just realized that in the third section of my post I kept saying "him", but never said who "him" was. I blame the nighttime. XD

Anyway, I was referring to Arthur Petrelli. Peace out.

krissy · 1 year ago

i think that present peter will go back in the future and save himself but first he has 2 get past claire |: thats gonna be scary because peter refuses 2 hurt her

Crichton · 1 year ago

Just watched episode 8 and it's getting weirder every time. This old Petrelli guy is even worse than Sylar. For crying out loud, please please get rid of the old guy. He's ruining the story.

Crichton · 1 year ago

Forgot: season 3 starts to look ridiculous.
The writers have a lot of cleaning up to do.

joe bassin · 1 year ago

Tim Kring said that Sylar lost all his power because of the shanti virus except telekinesis and his original ability. He has the painting precognition and induced radioactivity in the futur because he got them back from other people.

We don't know if futur Peter still has regenerative hability so no problem here.

Finally you don't know were the show is going so stop saying it is drowning or S***** comments like that. Also stop trying to figure out if everything is tied perfectly with a perfect flawless logic because this is a TV show not a mathematic theorem.

Dunwich · 1 year ago

this season was the best season so far and I can't understand what people hate about it. I guess it's just become ahead of its time.

Seun Osewa · 1 year ago

It seems so corny for Sylar to lose all his stolen powers except telekinesis (the one that looks cool on TV). He ought to have lots all his stolen powers (including telekinesis) or none at all. Is that a deliberate plot hole?

joe bassin · 1 year ago

This show is great. One of the thing that make it so great is that the charachters are not black and white. They are more like real people, they can do good or bad thing. Suresh walk down the path of evil because his experiment turned bad. Now he thinks more about saving himself than anything else. Most people would probably do like him, there is nothing odd here. Think about HRG in season one, were is actions good or bad? It depends of your point of view...

I agree with you Dunwich.

joe bassin · 1 year ago

Seun Osewa said,
November 14th, 2008
It seems so corny for Sylar to lose all his stolen powers except telekinesis (the one that looks cool on TV). He ought to have lots all his stolen powers (including telekinesis) or none at all. Is that a deliberate plot hole?


I don't know but remember that in season one when the company capture Sylar and made test on him they could not find anything but telekinesis. May there is something special about this power...
We can't find answer to everything because there is a lot that we don't know. Things should become clearer as the show progress.
If you want some answers go here :
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=archive&...
and here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

joe bassin · 1 year ago

second link should be
http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page

sorry for the mistake

KageLord · 1 year ago

I gotta agree with Seun. If he lost his powers due to the Shanti virus, telekinesis should have gone with the rest as he got that ability from Brian Davis.

As for getting Induced Radioactivity and Precognition back in the future, it is unlikely since: 1. We don't know anyone else but Peter and Usutu (dead) with those powers. 2. Sylar became good in the present already, so he probably wouldn't steal more powers like that. However, this is up to the writers, I guess.

But I think the whole thing about bringing Elle in as a main character is stupid. She only appeared in Season 2 as a minor and then shows up like halfway through this season as a main character. And it was also lame to have the other guy that Sylar took powers from in front of her and HRG. We never see Sylar use that power, even though it might have helped him if it applies to all solids and not just fragile ones like glass. If it doesn't, then it's a lame power anyway.

We also find Flint and Meredith are brother and sister, giving Claire a third uncle with powers (Peter, Sylar, Flint, and her parents all have powers, though Nathan's is synthetic). Why does everyone have to be blood related? Next we'll find out that Usutu and Hiro are half-brothers and Ando is their cousin who is the long lost half-brother of the Ali Larter triplets, whose mom had an affair with Maury and is Matt's real mom. >>

Although, even with the Season's flaws, I have to admit that it is keeping me mildly entertained and, for some reason, I keep watching it. ^^;

joe bassin · 1 year ago

from heroeswiki:
According to a response in the Sept. 30, 2008 Behind the Eclipse CBR Q&A, Sylar lost the previous abilities he had gained, except for intuitive aptitude and telekinesis, due to his exposure to the Shanti virus and had to start over in gaining other abilities. The lost abilities would include freezing, enhanced memory, melting, enhanced hearing, precognition, and induced radioactivity. However, Sylar was able to use induced radioactivity and precognition in a possible future (I Am Become Death). In a response in the Oct. 13, 2008 Behind the Eclipse CBR Q&A, it was clarified that Sylar reacquired those powers during the time period inbetween the present and the future shown in the episode.

KageLord · 1 year ago

lol in that case, it was a deliberate continuity error. They probably realized that Sylar would have sucked in Season 3 (when all the high-powered evolved humans show up) without at least telekinesis. I mean, Intuitive Aptitude isn't as good a power if there's nothing to back it up.

DRII · 1 year ago

The show is simply ridiculous now. It has been officially erased from my DVR's schedule. I cant believe that so much potential has fallen so steeply so quickly.

KageLord · 1 year ago

OH COME ON!!!

SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN "It's Coming"!!!



Now they are just being ridiculous. Hiro somehow retains his powers (though Arthur has them too) yet thinks he is 10. WTF?

Then Sylar somehow is able to gain abilities without killing so he can cheat his way into being a strong good guy. Such bull.

KageLord · 1 year ago

Also, there is a store in Japan called "Sam's Comics"... they are just not trying any more. >>

Sal · 1 year ago

Oh man, it's become such a BS, they've lost the plot. Too many stuff going on and seems that writers can't pull things back together. Totally hopeless, feel sorry that I wasted another hour to watch the 9th ep.

joe bassin · 1 year ago

KageLord said,
November 17th, 2008

Now they are just being ridiculous. Hiro somehow retains his powers (though Arthur has them too) yet thinks he is 10. WTF?

He got space time manipulation from peter in episode 6 Dying of the Light. And anyway in an interview, Chuck Kim confirms that Arthur has the ability of empathic mimicry. So he don't need anymore to absorb power to gain them.

Erin · 1 year ago

the season lacks verisimilitude within the world created by the last two seasons. yes, they are flying too high with wax wings. they are constantly contradicting themselves. now that the future is constantly rewritable (and the present can always be the future since characters can jump back in time) events no longer hold the weight they use to.
i don't feel the stakes anymore.

bye bye heroes. I have been mourning your death. you were once a dear friend.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I still like this season, but after the last couple of episodes (the Eclipse), I am starting to worry a little bit again.
I think the season is ok, but they have to stop with so many flip flops all the time. I think most people like twists (I sure do), but when the whole plot is basically the twists themselves, the story loses its meaning. It becomes just a bunch of (seemingly) random events.

Like I said in my very first post here, I am worried that with all these twists and turns all the time, the show will take a turn for the worst. I liked season 3 better in the beginning. I hope things get better again. The last episode I really enjoyed was the one where Hiro dreamed about the past. After that, the show has been just so so, I think. I did not care much for the Eclipse.

Waylo_Paht14 · 1 year ago

I never seen any of seaeson 3. But i do own season 1 & 2. I just want to know why people are quitting on heroes. They should keep watching the show while their ahead. I know i will because it was totally worth watching.

James R · 1 year ago

Im like so so with this season.. The reason why most people seem to complain is that - they cant seem to figure out what direction they want to go in.. Too many ups and downs..

I wouldve prefered Sylar stayed good. Do away with Peter already, jesus. Do something with him or just throw him off a balacony.

Honestly, nothing really matters in the show anymore. One moron or the next can just go back or forward in time and rewrite the whole thing. I really have stopped caring if someone lives or dies

Roberto · 1 year ago

I kind of agree with you James, especially when you say that they cant seem to figure out what direction they want to take the show.

Also, I have an important question. How did Nathan survive being shot? I thought it was Linderman, but now we know that is not the case.

Roberto · 1 year ago

This last episode tonight I liked better, although I still have my reservations about where the show is going this season.

One thing that is weird is that I find myself sometimes agreeing with Nathan. I can see what he wants to do, although he is ignoring the fact that, in the future, the whole planet is destroyed.

Also, that whole thing with the eclipse did not make much sense to me at all. Whey would the eclipse take everyone's powers, when originally it gave some of the "heroes" their powers? Do some eclipses give powers exclusively and others take them away? Or, did some people with powers lose them during the same eclipse that gave the heroes their powers?

We'll see. I will try to be optimistic about the writers taking the season to good places and making sense of everything in the end. The main thing I would like is to have fewer ups and downs, which have been the bulk of this season so far, and more of the feel that Season 1 had.

Sylar's Hunger Continues · 1 year ago

So finally they have an episode (12/8) where they treat Hiro with some dignity, and they make Sylar the new Hiro. The piece with Sylar and Ms. Lie Detector, the "Happy Birthday" women, the blood DRENCHED hands (for the first time ever--why?) and "Cake!"--it was just pathetic.

Clair changing her own diaper, having conversations with her own dad, giving him her own nickname--pathetic.

Did anyone doubt that the marine's power would be super strength?

And yet, I'm in it for the long haul.

What is with Nikki floating in the air, in the little NBC chime promo? Is there yet another sister?

Dunwich · 1 year ago

I thought the scene where Sylar killed the woman to get her lie detector powers was hilarious. Claire's scene in the past was whatever I mean it's a surreal experience I'd imagine to see yourself as a baby. Sylar is back where he should be as well as Peter but Nathan has gone off the reservation thus making chapter 3 relevant and a launching point for an even sweeter fourth chapter. This has definatley been the strongest of the chapters with far less of the problems (like lame pointless romances) of the first two chapters and I know I'm not the only person to think this. I guess it's just the very nature of this type of show to polarize people.

But still as usual I still have difficulty grasping peoples complaints with this season. What do you guys want to turn it into Knight Rider or the X-Men movies? cookie cutter good vs. evil plotlines and cardboard characters? no thanks.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I liked the last episode "Dual", but didn't expect it to be the end of another volume. I thought "Villains" was going to be the whole Season 3.

Plutocracy · 1 year ago

My Summary of Problems

1:) The actors are the same, the powers are the same, but the CHARACTERS are acting completely different! Most anyway. Matt, Mrs. Patrelli, and Noah are the only ones act the same. The others have all been so alienated from their archtypes I no longer feel any connection with them. They are like blank slates to be filled with whatever traits the writers feel like every episode.

I hated that in Season 1 Hiro got all bad-ass, which carried into season 2, but then in season 3 the Hatian subdues both Hiro AND Ando offscreen, simply because they have no powers. Couldn't two grown men handle themselves against one other grown man? Especially if Hiro has undergone some combat training?

2:) Two many abandoned plot branches. They build up relationships and new characters, then unceremoniously end them. I don't need to mention them all, but there are many.

3:) Time travel/apocalypse overdone. Nuff said.

3:) Time travel/plot holes
I'm assuming future Peter still has the bullets im him/hatian hangs by him. So I can buy that. And the facial scar could be voluntary metamorph power. But I don't think the writers bothered to rationalize either the way the fans are forced to. Also, the problem of of writers alternating between using a single linear timeline thats changable, single linear timeline thats unchangeable, and infinite future timelines on a whim. Pick one and stick with it, paradoxes and all!

Season one was best, season finale being the exception.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I actually loved Season 1, pretty much all the way. There are always a few things I don't like, of course. I didn't like that Simone got killed. I liked her, but it still fits with the plot.

I agree with you about the "abandoned relationships", for instance: Elle and Gabriel (only to a certain extent), where is Molly, and the girl who could learn to do anything she saw on tv, and why did Nicki and her husband have to die?

I do like to see that the heroes are just like anyone else in the sense that none of them is completely good or bad. Consistently in all seasons, they have all done good and bad things, especially Nathan, Peter, Sylar.

The future of the Heroes world looks like it is going to be as it was at the beginning of Season 3: all people with powers hiding and maybe Clair will become much darker, like on that first episode when future Peter came back and shot Nathan.

Lisa · 1 year ago

I am so confused by all of this. I agree with most of you who have written that season one was better and developed strong relationships. But can anyone tell me what happened to the girl that Matt Parkman was taking care of?
The one who could find any hero- she was sort of a locator. If Parkman is running around on spirit walks in Africa and is romantically linked to the girl that runs fast then where is the locator girl? (Sorry I forgot their names but hopefully you all know what I am talking about)

Also I loved the Mikah character and the fact that he was beginning to use his ability to talk to electronics as a way to rob ATM's. So if his storyline had continued we would have definately seen his moral evolution, especially with both of his parents not there to help or guide him.

Also speaking of Mikah, what happened to his cousin in Louisana who would watch tv an get an imprint of it in her mind. For example she was watching a martial arts movie and knew how to mimic the fighting. She was a great character.

I agree with all of you that this Nikki / Freeze ray sister/ Unknown third sister story line is stupid. I loved the original Nikki and Mikah story line where she was a stripper trying to make ends meet while her husband was missing. I like the mother- son dynamic. It was loving and interesting to watch, especially with the complexity of the fact that she was married to a black man and had a interracial son. Now she is dead and her twin is some sort of public relations guru. I am all for the Nikki character moving up from her downtrodden life to a better one, but that story line is just crazy.

I miss Mikah's dad and thought that he left the show too soon. I mean c'mon a guy that walks through walls, but becomes a firefighter. It had the potential to go far.

Okay enoughh ranting on that- what about Claire' s mom meridith dying in a fire at the comapany. That's crazy, because she handeles fire everyday- that's her ability. And how come after Meridith and her brother got seperated they did not reunite and try to take down the company and become some sort of vigilante fire duo. I mean the both of them have reasons for hating the company- Meridith becasue they took away her baby and her brother because they locked him up.

And can some one tell me Papa Petrilli's power? IS he some sort of taker of all power? If so they why can peter mimic him and take away his power why did skyler have to kill him?

Skyler, Skyler Skyler what more can I say about that. He is the ultimate of all villians, but I really liked how he became good in the future that Peter saw. He has a son. Before Elle died I though that maybe it was their sone, but I guess not. I all fairness Skyler can't do everything- can't be everything. There has to be another evil villian as bad as he is- that we the viewers become invested in. We are not invested in Papa Petrilli, because we don't know his back story or some of the villians, because we don't know their back stories, but we are invested in Skyler. So I think that the writers have to write another villian in that we become invested in.

And I am sad that they killed off the characters that Hiro loved like that the girl he traveled back in time to help Adam Monroe fall in love with Or the girl at the coffee shop that had accelerated learning. Hiro needs a love interest. He has the bromance, but that's not enough.

The catalyst storyline is stupid.

The fact that Dr. Suresh has totally moved from one side to the other and has forgotten everything that his father worked for is sad. And isn't Suresh supposed to be looking for his sister and trying to find out her power? Or am I wrong on that?

And if the eclipse gave everyone back their powers then Maya must have her making people dead power back right?

We need to see more one of them one of us company duo's more.

I think I wrote too much but hey I love the show. I hope the new season answeres at least some of my questions.

Roberto · 1 year ago

Yeah, I do love the show, in spite of some stuff. Two things I did not care for, like you say, were definitely the catalyst thing and the whole eclipse taking/giving everyones powers, especially the taking away part of it.

Zeek · 1 year ago

I don't get it. Whys everyone saying Tom this Tom that. Dunno who that is then I find out they're talking about Matt Parkman. At least get ur names right.

Daniel F · 1 year ago

I wish they would finally kill off the actress that played Niki. I was so happy when Niki was killed off then they brought back the actress for another role. I really don't like the actress she annoys me and I don't find her very talented. She plays Niki nearly the same as her new person but they are nothing alike. I actually liked DL so they had to kill him off.

Roberto · 1 year ago

I actually feel the complete opposite about Niki. I think Niki getting killed off was a bad move. Actually, neither Niki nor DL should have got killed. Yeah, their story was not directly related to everything else that happened with the other "heroes/villains", but it gave the show a different dimension, a more personal one, and not everything has to be related to the main characters/plot. It never made sense to me that they had Niki and DL die (maybe there was a reason regarding the actors themselves that I am not aware of?).
I still love the show, but can't always agree with the decisions made by the writers, just like basically any other show.

Daniel F · 1 year ago

The reason behind DL was simply that they needed to kill of characters and he was felt to be unnecessary. I really liked the DL character as well as the actor I have always thought he was talented. However, my reasons against Niki are simply that hte actress is pretty bad.

Shelley · 1 year ago

I agree that I wish they hadn't killed Nikki. To kill her and bring in her doppleganger who is far less interesting is a waste! She, DL and Micah helped add a human element that has been missing (albiet a little better this season than last season but not quite up to par as season 1). It was better to see the heroes as having good relationships and these powers interfering with their lives or creating new relationships. Now even Ando has a power?? I liked the juxtoposition of he and Suresh as the "powerless heroes" but showing us they are heroes nonetheless. Now they both have powers too? That just makes it even more one dimensional in their quest to be "more" interesting.

dunwich · 12 months ago

Ando got a sweet power so that's pretty cool plus hiro is de-powered so there's still that balance. we also got Noah running around being awesome with no powers as well.

Lori · 11 months ago

i agree with jc at the top...reading your comments i realized what i missed the most was the humanity of the first season that is lost in crazy...crazy plot twists and power strugles. during season 2 i found that the lack of any definition of boundaries on powers made things a little sketchy but i didnt mind. but this season its become a serious problem. really interestin characters are being lost in all of mess that is endless power growth and plot twists. remember one of the catchphrases from season one was something about ordinary people having extraordinary powers and what would they do? i feel like that was the twist...what would ORDINARY PEOPLE do. and granted shows evolve over seasons but a big pull of the show was that it spent a fair amount of time delving into the psyche of ordinary people. too much of that has been lost in this season with the focus on extraordinary situations. honestly..in the two hour long season three premiere i could barely remembered what happened in the first ten minutes by the time the two hours were over it was so overstuffed with action. ive been trying to hang on ever since but its hard. and i remember being so thrilled when this show first came out two years ago. it sucks because between friday night lights and this show i went bananas when monday night rolled around. i really liked these two shows. remember the excitement of finding out that nathan had powers too...or following nikki trying to protect her son and deal with the thugs on her tail. and now i bet fnl will be canceled to. sigh...oh well...rant done.

Olivaro · 10 months ago

Dislike where season 3 is heading. The second part of it started off nicely with Peters powers gone and mutants hunted down (giving them a strong counter part) but then: Counterpart is just yet another company, possibly with more (regular) men but that did not help a bit so far. I understand everyone who wishes for deeper character development and yet dislikes what is happening. All these personal stories now are not of a character developing nature nor add to the plot line. I wish Fox would stop with Claire and her family and this new "I can breath under water"-guy. They do not develop a bit and their problems are as important to the world (currently US) as Kim Bauers' were in 24 after the 1st season: Not at all. If Syler must have parent issues then let him deal with it quickly. Got the feeling that half the series these days is used up by people driving in cars, sitting talking on benches or in Claire's house or otherwise the president 'arguing' with his chief of operations. little action, little development and little depth in questioning what could happen to our world and morals if mutants of that sort really were to turn up. seems to me the writers' guild is on strike right now.

Dunwich · 10 months ago

The start of the new series is pretty sweet so far I like now that it's the government involved and people with powers are starting to get exposed. I like the set up at the end of the last episode with what they are doing with Parkman the new villain for this chapter is enjoyable. I would like to see Sylar's finding his father arc to be resolved a little more quickly but it seems like he's putting a lot of important pieces together on his journey there so I'm fine with it. I do want to see more of hiro and ando and a little less of claire and her mom.

Roberto · 10 months ago

I like this volume too, so far.
It's slower paced, but at least there aren't too many flips flops, like in the previous volume. I like the plot with people with powers being hunted down and their struggle to live their own lives and avoiding the authorities. I also like the Sylar plotline, but can't wait to see what happens once he finds his father. I always wondered about his mother, until the last episode, that is.

I hope eventually Peter's body gets used to the powers and he learns to use them like he did in Season 1, and not just one power at a time. Who knows, maybe all he needs is to have Ando supercharge his powers for a little while, and he'll be set.