Wait that giant robot is only one part of devastator? Its going to be huge, like tip earth off its axis huge
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
@ Matt,
I'm not entirely sure, it seems too big to be just one component on its own.
If it is true that what we see in the trailer is not the entire devastator, my guess would be that it is just a few components of the group.
Film-Book dot Com
· 11 months ago
Of all three or four teaser trailers for the superbowl, including G.I Joe, that is the best one by far.
It sets a really dark tone. I hope its the same in the actual film.
Ray O
· 11 months ago
Rob, you da man, thanks for posting. I CAN"T WAIT!
Jess H.
· 11 months ago
I agree with Matt, Devastator is going to be huge. Im glad that the Ravage rumors are true as well. He was one of my favorite smaller Transformers.
David Hasselbach
· 11 months ago
This looks as unwatchable as the first one.
Good work, Bay. Now kill off some other franchise. You're good at it.
Hey, I heard Thundercats is up for grabs. Or Bravestarr ... that could use some blurry, mega-complicated (but you don't see sh!t) sequences ... you can cover it with sand from the deserts of New Texas.
Yay.
:-(
JessSayin'
· 11 months ago
Devastate me, I'm ready!
.c.h.r.i.s.
· 11 months ago
Looks cool. I honestly didn't have a problem seeing any of the action in this trailer, or the first movie. Looks awesome.
Say what you will about the first TF, people loved it and it made money.
The second will do the same.
Jason Charles
· 11 months ago
I CAN NOT WAIT! That trailer was nothing short of Holy Sh......!
David Hasselbach
· 11 months ago
@ .c.h.r.i.s.
People also love the Jerry Springer show and it makes money.
Your point?
Ok, I don't want to get into a love/hate discussion. I do respect the people that like Transformers, but I personally don't think it's a good film and it missed the mark of what it WANTED to be by far.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
The full trailer will be released on Friday the 13th... I guess with the Friday the 13th movie?
can't wait for June 26th,2009 Prime took quite a punch, I just wonder if thats Starscream bombing the Aircraft Carrier. hope Starscream gets some major screen time and isn't killed off. Must see the Full Trailer. Till All Are One.
Adrian Suriel
· 11 months ago
I only got one thing to say: DAMN
darkone
· 11 months ago
I love all the michael bay haters. They are so obsessed that they can't see past how good the movie is going to be. I am guessing you are probably one of those golden globe hacks or emmy judges that vote on gay things.
Vic Holtreman
· 11 months ago
@darkone
I'm not a Michael Bay hater, I just didn't like Transformers. At all.
Vic
greenknight333
· 11 months ago
The first few scenes of the "Transformers" hitting the battle ships looked REALLY fake to me and Megan Fox continues to ham it up with the half-hearted "NNOOOOOO!!!" ALso the scene with Devastator exploding onto the screen with some other transformer hanging off him looked bad as well from a visual standpoint.. I will get the DVD when it comes out in all likelihood (be lying if I said I wouldn't) but I will skip this in theaters...Plenty of other great films to waste my money on...
greenknight333
· 11 months ago
@ Darkone
What the hell has voting on gay things got to do with people liking or not liking Michael Bay...He makes good action movies...however big budgets do not always equal great movies...he's a hack who knows how to make great action sequences...he cannot get the best from his actors which is what great directors do...He knows how to make things look good when they go bang...Big deal...
Ken J
· 11 months ago
chris said: "Say what you will about the first TF, people loved it and it made money.
The second will do the same."
OK, and since when did our enjoyment get enhanced because other people liked it?
Alpha Trion
· 11 months ago
I love the Terminator 4 trailer score.
I love the gorilla arm unicycle Constructicon from the circus on cybertron.....Looks like a terrible rip off of the robots on tank tracks from Terminator.
I love how ILM screwed up the last shot. where does the bridge end and the Constructicon begin. The center car blowing up looks horrible and did his big gorilla arm go into the building with damaging it? Aww way to go ILM that was not fake looking at all
I love Michael Bay's AWESOME character development, 20 camera using, seizure inducing can't tell whats going on shaky cam, fast cut editing, emphatic tight close ups, helicopter in the sunset, extremely nauseating, repulsive, over the top product placement, and slow motion over dramatic explosions.
I hope this has more racist stereotypes. ""Hey look at my MAMMY!!"
I hope this has more Transformers golden showers masterbastion jokes and farting on Sam's dad!!
AWW this will be this best movie ever!
Javier Sotelo
· 11 months ago
Come on guys, this is going to be a great movie, 100% entertainment.... this is the way mostly of us like it. Look how 30 sec of TF drive us crazy,,, even does who hate Bay, imagine when the movie appears at theaters. By the way.. there is no way to compare with any of the other trailers,, incluiding GI...what??
Ken J
· 11 months ago
The way YOU like it, and the trailer drove YOU crazy. You can't speak for all of us. ;-)
Peez
· 11 months ago
Did you not notice that the big robot, has the same face as the teaser poster. If we are to believe the fallen is a army all on his own!!!Also his arms are the same. Devastator would not be synnetrical. Maybe this is not devastator
Heath McKnight
· 11 months ago
I saw two wheels. If it's part of Devastator, I'd say the wheels go to one of those very large dump trucks used in mining.
I loved it!
heath
Eisentower30
· 11 months ago
DOES ANYBODY ELSE SEE THIS? This feud between Transformers and Terminator just got continued. Look at how similar the teaser for Terminator was to the teaser we just saw for Transformers. Everything they just did was a perfect copy of the first teaser for Terminator. Almost down to the music/sound effects.
John "Kahless" Taylor
· 11 months ago
Yes, Mike Bay does not know how to direct actors and yes, he knows how to make movies with explosions and effects, but hate him or not, I want effects and explosions in my summer popcorn movies. While I will go see this, I am kind of with Ken, greenknight, and Vic that Bay needs to go to the school of Spielberg so he can make a truly epic film.
jerseycajun
· 11 months ago
Watched it. Looks like it's going to suffer the same terminal symptoms that made the first one a train wreck. Lots of random motion (honestly, when things are moving in so many directions at once, it becomes impossible to focus on any one thing - that's frustrating as heck), lots of people yelling meaningless dialog, Meghan Fox trying and failing to emote, and lots of action shot way too close to the camera.
The trailer only reinforces my earlier decision to skip this one entirely - even if it does get a higher tomatometer rating than the first.
And darkone, I'm not a fan of Bay's films in general, but I still gave the first Transformers a shot based on good word of mouth and a general positive rating on the tomatometer. I was sorely let down, and for some of the reasons I mentioned and a lot more I didn't, the movie made me literally angry at it. Yes, I actually felt hatred for a movie, not just mere dislike. They actively went out of their way to give us absolutely no reason to care for any of the characters and loads of reasons to loathe them (Bumblebee "urinates" on a cartoon stereotype of a federal agent, whose character was crafted with the mindset that Jar-Jar Binks was too sophisticated for this film's audience. There really is no recovering after that, not that it wouldn't have been appreciated if they tried to anyway, for our sakes, but it just goes downhill from there instead).
If there are those who still don't understand the hate some of us have for this film, after all this, then let me be concise:
All we want is a film where we can care about, and get behind the good guys as they beat up the bad guys. We don't want Shakespeare, we just want the movie to make us give a damn. After charging modern day ticket prices, isn't that the least we should expect any film (that isn't satire or parody) to do? Isn't that the bare minimum?
John "Kahless" Taylor
· 11 months ago
Come on jersey, you're tying Bay's hands. You actually want him to give you more than just effects? :-)
Yeah, in the first movie, I only cared about Shia's character and the marines; the other characters could have been blown to Cybertron for all I cared.
charles darwin
· 11 months ago
I thought Devastator was supposed to have seven constituent robot parts. You don't get a very good look at it, but freezing the frames in the trailer, it seems like only about four or five are accounted for. Could be very wrong about that though, because his torse is like, all over the place. It looks cool, but I also would rather have him be able to walk, and be more humanoidal in symmetry. Rolling around on a big wheel is kind of kiddie-like, it seems. Of couse, this is Bay so WHOTH knows what he's thinking.....if he's thinking.
Peez
· 11 months ago
I have seen a picture of a toy. That is not devastator. it is only a piece of him. Now i know you think that he is to big to be 1 piece, but the toy, when fully assembled is 2 ft tall. So expect devastator to huge. Also bay would never give us the best bits in a teaser. Like the 1st movie he will save it all for the film.
jerseycajun
· 11 months ago
John, after the positive word of mouth, I thought Bay might have actually given us more than just effects. Silly me.
The tomatometer, for the first time, had let me down. In terms of movies I plan ahead to see, it's still a generally good harbinger, but it's reliability took a big hit that day.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
My prediction is that every person who posts here will see this in theatres, whether they admit it or not - What does that say about entertainment value of Michael Bay? ;)
And the reason these movies are so crazy popular are because they are all action, visuals, giant robots, sweet rides and explosions... that's what we want to see from this and there is no better substitute. That's not something people can complain about but for some reason, I hear that a lot. Since when did plot and characterization become a part of the Transformers universe? I think some are missing the boat and have clearly never seen much of the cartoons or 80s film.
Let's all hope for an improvement over the first Transformers.
jb
· 11 months ago
this is going to do the same thing that the last TF movie did, entertain those who want to be entertained. if you watched this and said, "man that is going to suck!" or "that's not even possible!" you're right, because that's your opinion and don't go see it. however, if you're like me, you saw it and went "that... was... epic." it's going to be an improvement over the first one and you can pretty much have The Dark Knight to thank for that, it raised the proverbial bar and everyone is just going to try and play catch up when it comes to comic book movies. and plus, why would folks look up the articles for a transformers 2 preview just to bash it? serious question.
Ken J
· 11 months ago
Uh, I'm actually going to skip this one. Might watch the bootleg or maybe a free rental (someone else rents it).
Bill Blume
· 11 months ago
I'm probably not going to see this in the theater. I was very disappointed in the first film, and this teaser isn't doing anything to make me more optimistic for the sequel. Effects are important, but if they want to make the second movie work better than the first, then they need a decent story... less flash, more substance.
No Name Face
· 11 months ago
@ bob
Seriously "you took the words right out of my mouth PJ"
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
@ No Name Face
Who's Bob? Do you mean me?
No Name Face
· 11 months ago
yes i guess i did mean you rob...
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
then thank you :)
jb
· 11 months ago
@ ken j and bill blume, respectfully, like i said, no matter how much you may not like it, you both just said that you're going to spend the time to watch it. that's all i was saying... if you really didn't have any interest at all, you just wouldn't see it ever. just saying.
No Name Face
· 11 months ago
your welcome, it kind of hard to find nice journalists these days...
Copperknob
· 11 months ago
Sold!
jerseycajun
· 11 months ago
Why is it people think that those of us who hated the first one do so because we had unrealistic expectations?
Yes, it was based on an 80's cartoon series which itself was based on a toy line. So? Pirates of the Caribbean was based on a flimsily structured theme park ride and it managed to be great fun. Why? Because it had characters we grew to appreciate and it told a coherent story (a leads to b, which leads to c, d, & e).
The only expectation I had going into transformers was that it made me want to root for the good guys as they beat up the bad guys. All they had to do was make me care about what was going on, that the explosions and SFX fireworks weren't just left to justify themselves. Make me CARE, and I'll give any movie a thumbs up, regardless of source or origin.
The movie wasn't made to be parody or satire (Bay's not nuanced enough for that anyway).
It clearly intended this to be a standard, non-ironic movie experience and in every category it was bungled, manhandled and assembled as it would have been in a cuisinart.
I don't intend for movies like this to reach me on an intellectual level. That would be asking too much. But if you're not going to engage my brain, you'd better engage my heart, my funny bone, or my sense of ironic satiric wit. If you strike out on each of these, you're only left with random movement and ear-splitting sound.
If that's the bar of success we've set for movies like this, then I wager we'd do better to start poking our fingers in fire ant hills. You'll get all the random movement and likely the pain, but it won't hit you in the wallet, at least.
Bill Blume
· 11 months ago
I think the reason I'd demand decent plot, no matter what the tv series was like, is that I've grown up since then. Yes, I want touches that harken to the old cartoon, but if the cartoon is all I wanted... then I'd buy it on DVD.
On the flipside, I was kind of upset with the first film because I thought there were elements that just didn't make it appropriate for kids, and I didn't get to take my son to it for just that reason. That really did tick me off.
Saad
· 11 months ago
Rob,please tell me you are joking about the characterization thing,if not I find it mind boggling that you would excuse it just because you seem to assume Bay has made another movie that won't satisify your desire for characterization from a Transformers movie that he made,go look at every incarnation of Transformers from the cartoons and comics,they may not be on all the same level in terms of good quality,but you will find characterization and I do pity you if you are serious about what you said. You also seem to imply that you need to shut your brain down to enjoy a Transformers movie. That is an over statement and exaggeration,what doe's need to be realized is that the Transformers themselves don't need to be straight up Shakespeareish to come across as enjoyable alien robots from space. I haven't looked into ever medium of Transformers bit by bit even though I am a big fan,but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that different interpretations of the Transformers have kick butt personalities in them a side from other good stuff. If you want an example spend time with Beast Wars and/or the prequel movie comic books from IDW.
And secondly(this goe's to certain people),that constructicon isn't Devastator,he is made up of 7 of them,not one. It's confirmed and not a rumor.
Saad
· 11 months ago
Now as for the teaser trailer tv spot,I thought it was great in terms of teasing us. I'm looking forward to the full teaser trailer attached to Friday the 13th,but do really hope it pops up online before that day in good enough shape to view. I think we should get good enough screen time from the Transformers since there is suppose to be only 3 subplots in the movie this time if I remember correctly. I hope I am right about that.
Vic Holtreman
· 11 months ago
@Bill Blume
Yeah, that whole masturbation joke was SO out of left field that I was left wondering if I really heard it right...
Vic
greenknight333
· 11 months ago
@ Rob
"My prediction is that every person who posts here will see this in theatres, whether they admit it or not - What does that say about entertainment value of Michael Bay? "
I will not see it in theaters, I did not see the first one in theaters and I will not see the next one...I did state I will buy the DVD when it comes out but they are NOT getting my money from a movie ticket and a DVD/Blu-Ray sale...I will go see Watchmen intheaters and buy it when it is released for home video...not this one though...Besides I am 39 with a 6 year old, 3 year old and a four month old at home so I will be damned if I waste a night out on this movie... :)
Josh
· 11 months ago
For all you people who are judging this movie already, you have no idea. All it showed was 30 seconds so you only got a glimpse of what the movie would be like. You cant judge a movie just by its trailer. there have been some awsome movies who have hac sucky trailers. Also I hope prime kicks butt. The only part i did not like in the first one was that prime did not kill megatron, Sam did.
greenknight333
· 11 months ago
@ Josh
" You cant judge a movie just by its trailer."
Maybe not but it goes a hell of a long way to help people ascertain if they want to see a movie or not...
jerseycajun
· 11 months ago
The thirty seconds they chose to reveal to us showed me that, at least visually, all the problems that gave me fits and headaches the first go around were still present.
I don't like headaches, and I presume nobody else does either. If you suspected something was going to give you one, would you subject yourself to it anyway? Because that's what the first one did to me.
The odds Bay is going to change the formula of the first film and make something I'd consider watchable at this point are slim to none.
Nope. I swore off these films after getting burned the first time.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
@ Saad,
nah, I wasn't joking. But more importantly, I'm not saying the first Transformers was a masterpiece. I gave it a 6.5/10 rating because it had a lot of BIG problems with it.
But ya, to enjoy this film, you have to take it in for what it was despite the problems. The second time around watching the movie, I enjoyed it so much more than the first because I already knew the things that bothered me and it helped me partly look past it... Except for John Turturro's character who will forever drive me nuts.
What is with all the taking-it-personal harshness. You pity me? For what... being able to enjoy a movie that's not perfect? Thanks.
@ Bill Blume,
You're totally right dude, we've had that point brought up a few points on transformers threads here. There was no need for that nonsense and it was out of place in this movie where it should of been okay for young kids to see it as there's no blood, its robots vs. robots with two swear words and no nudity. The writers screwed up big time there.
@ jerseycajun,
I see your point but personally I did care about the good guys in some of the transformer-centric moments in the last act. One example is on the highway when they're escorting Sam & Cube to the city, Optimus drops back to hold off the Decepticon(s) by himself... the way that scene played out, no words were necessary, all actions. Another is in the city at the end when Ironhid gets bumblebee to help him pick up the vehicle and basically sacrifice themselves to protect the ppl in the streets. A third point is when Ratchet and Ironhide are taking shots everwhere to help Sam get to the building.
Those moments, especially watching it a second and third time really let me feel for them. Maybe that's just me.
It's still a 6.5/10 for me, so there were massive problems as we all know.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
@ Saad,
Same here, I'm not seeing Friday the 13th in theaters so I'm hoping it pops up that day online and we can post it here.
And, I also hope the plot is more focused like you say... at least we should have much more of the screen time dedicated to the real stars of the film. We really need to see the Decepticons communicate with each other and develop them.
Yeah, I heard that. Don't think we'll be covering it here, though.
Vic
jerseycajun
· 11 months ago
Rob,
I guess, by that time of the film, it was a little late for sudden character development of the robots. It was too little, too late. Perhaps I would have felt something in those moments if we knew more about the characters before that happened (as I recall, those moments felt like forced and maybe even cheap attempts to rectify characters that had no decent development thus far, kinda like what happened with Jazz. Just too perfunctory to hold weight, in my opinion.
I'm glad you got something out of it, though. For the record, my rating was 1/10, mostly for Shia Laboeuf who actually seemed like the only actor who gave a damn in his attempts to give his part the best polish he could. He's a good actor, and it makes me wish he'd take on something that would test his abilities, do something that pushes his limits.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
1/10 seems extreme to me. What would you give Terminator 3 or Independence Day, just out of curiosity?
Those examples I mentioned are just some I found. All the scenes with the Transformers (minus the stupid hiding in his backyard crap) show us the type of character they are starting obviously with their introduction where they literally tell you what each of their role is.
We know Bumblebee is the loyal protector always there and always willing to sacrifice himself - When he gets captured you know Jazz is more quick to act before thinking, he's the little-but-tough guy like the Wolverine in the group. In that same scene Optimus' lecture shows him as the wise and patient strategist but also as one who will stop at nothing to help the humans as we saw him do all throughout the film.
I didn't think there was lack of characterization of the 5 Autobots - It's blatantly obvious what each of them is like from the get-go of their introduction. The problem was that we just didn't see enough of them... budgetary reasons explain that. Another big problem is that they didn't do any of that for the Decepticons as they have no characterization at all other than showing Frenzy as an annoying idiot and Megatron as always bitter. I guess we could attribute that also to budgetary reasons and them trying to balance between screen time and story between the bad bots and good bots.
In that aspect, it felt more like a live action test to see if it can be done and I hope the sequel does it properly... or at least much better.
For me, many of the weak parts come with the human characters who they seemed to be thrown in to fill out the movie running time while not having enough cash to CGI the bots throughout the entire flick.
The cop was dumb, Turtorro was horrible, the Australian supermodel hacker was ridiculous, John Voight keeps getting worse, etc. etc. Basically, too many far-unrealistic characters that we can't relate to.
The outline of the story was there... as best as it can be for alien robot transformers fighting for a cube on our planet... The screenplay brought this down and I guess that's the fault of the writers as loyal Screen Rant reader Flamestrike would gladly point out :)
I think there's too many people on the hate train... 1/10 as the case and point here. There were tons of far worse films out that year and since but if aint your cup of tea, that's totally cool as long as you're not bashing it for it being different from the original cartoon.
Ken J
· 11 months ago
@jb, I've watched a lot of crappy movies that my friends rent. I don't "spend time" on it, it's my time off, sometimes I spend that time taking a much needed nap. So if it isn't one crappy movie, it's probably some other crappy movie. So if I see Transformers 2 that way, I don't think it's much of a compliment to the film...
Saad
· 11 months ago
Rob,I wasn't pitying you for enjoying a movie that wasn't perfect,I was pitying you for a different reason. You took what I said out of context. We got the amount of Transformers screen time we were given in the first movie because of te cost of CGI,only so much could be done with them from it. And on top of that there is only so much that can be implemented into a movie that is basically 2 and a half hours in general.
jb
· 11 months ago
@ ken j. right on man, i'd never try to change the way someone else feels, just providing my opinion. i don't ever think i've spent time watching any movie that i didn't want to see in the first place, whether it be rented, bootlegged or my eyes taped open while i was tied to a wooden chair in a dark, wet Hostel-like basement and the images projected directly into my brain by unruly techniques producers like Bay would probably like to use on people who don't want to see Transformers 2. but again, that's just me, in my opinion, if eventually spend 2 1/2 hours of your time in life watching something that you knew you were going to hate in the first 30 second preview, you're more confusing than an E.E. Cummings poem.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
@ Saad,
Then I don't understand how you can "pity" me for anything on a movie blog discussing a teaser trailer... a very powerful word used very inappropriately.
And yeap, everything you're saying about screen time I said above too.
Saad
· 11 months ago
Your assumption doesn't even come close to being relevant to why I was you know what,and you seem to be distorting what I implied again. I didn't catch you pointing out the CGI problem. Oops.
jerseycajun
· 11 months ago
Rob,
The way I see it, a good judge of whether or not they've done a good job developing characters in a movie is if the screen time they've been given feels "right". We both agree the transformers needed a lot more in that department, and I would argue that it stems from a severe lack of said development.
What you're describing to me of the characters in the film is not so much character development as it is caricature and stereotype. Their behavior when they 'sacrifice' stems not from their character and internal fortitude, but because that's how the screenwriters perceived that the universal 'hero' should act.
Like I said, I'm glad you found it to be more engrossing than I did, because that means at least one of us got our money's worth.
As for Independence Day, that's about a 3/10 - it at least had action scenes which could be followed technically.
Terminator 3, I'd give about a 6 or 7 because the dialog was at least serviceable and the actors (except for Arnie for the first time in this series, strangely enough - but that may be due to the writers, I'm thinking) pulled off their characters believably. That's in addition to the action scenes were well put together and solid, if not terribly original.
Transformers couldn't even put together an action scene where the movement was coherent. Even in the trailer for "ROTF" (all it needs is an "L", right?) the movement was in so many different directions at once, the eye can't focus on what's going on, and this plagued the action scenes in the first film as well. That's in addition to the scenes being shot too up close to huge robots, and editing that made it all but impossible to place where each character was in relationship to the others. In other words, it was chaos when scenes like this at their best only fool you into believing chaos is going on, but in reality the shots (when done right) are very well planned to give off that illusion while keeping the audience up to speed on relative location subconsciously.
I will say that ILM did their job in bringing realism to the robots, and maybe I'll spot the film an extra half-point for that, but their work was largely thrown away by every other technical aspect of the film which detracted from it.
So, it didn't bring the goods for me technically, emotionally (certainly not intellectually, but I never expected that), with humor (Turturo, Voight and the script made sure of that), or in any other way that matters when watching films in general - for me. There you have it.
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
good points jerseycajun,
The crazy bourne-style close-up shakey cam was another big problem in a lot of the fight sequences.
I hope that's addressed majorly in the sequel to. The teaser at least showed wider distanced shots so that's a glimmer of hope.
Ken J
· 11 months ago
lol jb, now I have to look up EE Cummings and read some of his/her poems...
Rob Keyes
· 11 months ago
@ SHODAN,
I was trying to be nice, Flamestrike isn't impressed with me to say the least.
Vic Holtreman
· 11 months ago
Rob,
I deleted Shodan's comment. Reminder to everyone, I will not allow comments that include personal insults, even if the rest of your comment may make good points.
Vic
marco macabuhay
· 10 months ago
damn i cant really wait fir this film
seven
· 10 months ago
The big wheel is NOT devastator...and it is not ONE part of devastator. People are saying that this is the excavator (devastators right arm).....r u kidding me???...it had two big wheels!!!....the excavator does not have wheels it has tracks!!!...unreal!!
Rob Keyes
· 10 months ago
@ seven,
You probably know this by now but that giant wheeled bot is part of Devastator. His name is Demolisher and those tires are treads that change shape.
All Comments
I'm not entirely sure, it seems too big to be just one component on its own.
If it is true that what we see in the trailer is not the entire devastator, my guess would be that it is just a few components of the group.
It sets a really dark tone. I hope its the same in the actual film.
Good work, Bay. Now kill off some other franchise. You're good at it.
Hey, I heard Thundercats is up for grabs.
Or Bravestarr ... that could use some blurry, mega-complicated (but you don't see sh!t) sequences ... you can cover it with sand from the deserts of New Texas.
Yay.
:-(
Say what you will about the first TF, people loved it and it made money.
The second will do the same.
People also love the Jerry Springer show and it makes money.
Your point?
Ok, I don't want to get into a love/hate discussion.
I do respect the people that like Transformers, but I personally don't think it's a good film and it missed the mark of what it WANTED to be by far.
http://screenrant.com/twins-transformers-2-rob-...
Prime took quite a punch, I just wonder if thats Starscream bombing the Aircraft Carrier. hope Starscream gets some major screen time and isn't killed off.
Must see the Full Trailer.
Till All Are One.
DAMN
I'm not a Michael Bay hater, I just didn't like Transformers. At all.
Vic
What the hell has voting on gay things got to do with people liking or not liking Michael Bay...He makes good action movies...however big budgets do not always equal great movies...he's a hack who knows how to make great action sequences...he cannot get the best from his actors which is what great directors do...He knows how to make things look good when they go bang...Big deal...
"Say what you will about the first TF, people loved it and it made money.
The second will do the same."
OK, and since when did our enjoyment get enhanced because other people liked it?
I love the gorilla arm unicycle Constructicon from the circus on cybertron.....Looks like a terrible rip off of the robots on tank tracks from Terminator.
I love how ILM screwed up the last shot. where does the bridge end and the Constructicon begin. The center car blowing up looks horrible and did his big gorilla arm go into the building with damaging it?
Aww way to go ILM that was not fake looking at all
I love Michael Bay's AWESOME character development, 20 camera using, seizure inducing can't tell whats going on shaky cam, fast cut editing, emphatic tight close ups, helicopter in the sunset, extremely nauseating, repulsive, over the top product placement, and slow motion over dramatic explosions.
I hope this has more racist stereotypes. ""Hey look at my MAMMY!!"
I hope this has more Transformers golden showers masterbastion jokes and farting on Sam's dad!!
AWW this will be this best movie ever!
I loved it!
heath
The trailer only reinforces my earlier decision to skip this one entirely - even if it does get a higher tomatometer rating than the first.
And darkone, I'm not a fan of Bay's films in general, but I still gave the first Transformers a shot based on good word of mouth and a general positive rating on the tomatometer. I was sorely let down, and for some of the reasons I mentioned and a lot more I didn't, the movie made me literally angry at it. Yes, I actually felt hatred for a movie, not just mere dislike. They actively went out of their way to give us absolutely no reason to care for any of the characters and loads of reasons to loathe them (Bumblebee "urinates" on a cartoon stereotype of a federal agent, whose character was crafted with the mindset that Jar-Jar Binks was too sophisticated for this film's audience. There really is no recovering after that, not that it wouldn't have been appreciated if they tried to anyway, for our sakes, but it just goes downhill from there instead).
If there are those who still don't understand the hate some of us have for this film, after all this, then let me be concise:
All we want is a film where we can care about, and get behind the good guys as they beat up the bad guys. We don't want Shakespeare, we just want the movie to make us give a damn. After charging modern day ticket prices, isn't that the least we should expect any film (that isn't satire or parody) to do? Isn't that the bare minimum?
Yeah, in the first movie, I only cared about Shia's character and the marines; the other characters could have been blown to Cybertron for all I cared.
The tomatometer, for the first time, had let me down. In terms of movies I plan ahead to see, it's still a generally good harbinger, but it's reliability took a big hit that day.
And the reason these movies are so crazy popular are because they are all action, visuals, giant robots, sweet rides and explosions... that's what we want to see from this and there is no better substitute. That's not something people can complain about but for some reason, I hear that a lot. Since when did plot and characterization become a part of the Transformers universe? I think some are missing the boat and have clearly never seen much of the cartoons or 80s film.
Let's all hope for an improvement over the first Transformers.
Seriously "you took the words right out of my mouth PJ"
Who's Bob? Do you mean me?
it kind of hard to find nice journalists these days...
Yes, it was based on an 80's cartoon series which itself was based on a toy line. So? Pirates of the Caribbean was based on a flimsily structured theme park ride and it managed to be great fun. Why? Because it had characters we grew to appreciate and it told a coherent story (a leads to b, which leads to c, d, & e).
The only expectation I had going into transformers was that it made me want to root for the good guys as they beat up the bad guys. All they had to do was make me care about what was going on, that the explosions and SFX fireworks weren't just left to justify themselves. Make me CARE, and I'll give any movie a thumbs up, regardless of source or origin.
The movie wasn't made to be parody or satire (Bay's not nuanced enough for that anyway).
It clearly intended this to be a standard, non-ironic movie experience and in every category it was bungled, manhandled and assembled as it would have been in a cuisinart.
I don't intend for movies like this to reach me on an intellectual level. That would be asking too much. But if you're not going to engage my brain, you'd better engage my heart, my funny bone, or my sense of ironic satiric wit. If you strike out on each of these, you're only left with random movement and ear-splitting sound.
If that's the bar of success we've set for movies like this, then I wager we'd do better to start poking our fingers in fire ant hills. You'll get all the random movement and likely the pain, but it won't hit you in the wallet, at least.
On the flipside, I was kind of upset with the first film because I thought there were elements that just didn't make it appropriate for kids, and I didn't get to take my son to it for just that reason. That really did tick me off.
it mind boggling that you would excuse it just because you seem to assume Bay has made another movie that won't satisify your desire for characterization from a Transformers movie that he made,go look at every incarnation of Transformers from the cartoons and comics,they may not be on all the same level in terms of good quality,but you will find characterization and I do pity you if you are serious about what you said. You also seem to imply that you need to shut your brain down to enjoy a Transformers movie. That is an over statement and exaggeration,what doe's need to be realized is that the Transformers themselves don't need to be straight up Shakespeareish to come across as enjoyable alien robots from space. I haven't looked into ever medium of Transformers bit by bit even though I am a big fan,but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that different interpretations of the Transformers have kick butt personalities in them a side from other good stuff. If you want an example spend time with Beast Wars and/or the prequel movie comic books from IDW.
And secondly(this goe's to certain people),that constructicon isn't Devastator,he is made up of 7 of them,not one. It's confirmed and not a rumor.
Yeah, that whole masturbation joke was SO out of left field that I was left wondering if I really heard it right...
Vic
"My prediction is that every person who posts here will see this in theatres, whether they admit it or not - What does that say about entertainment value of Michael Bay? "
I will not see it in theaters, I did not see the first one in theaters and I will not see the next one...I did state I will buy the DVD when it comes out but they are NOT getting my money from a movie ticket and a DVD/Blu-Ray sale...I will go see Watchmen intheaters and buy it when it is released for home video...not this one though...Besides I am 39 with a 6 year old, 3 year old and a four month old at home so I will be damned if I waste a night out on this movie... :)
" You cant judge a movie just by its trailer."
Maybe not but it goes a hell of a long way to help people ascertain if they want to see a movie or not...
I don't like headaches, and I presume nobody else does either. If you suspected something was going to give you one, would you subject yourself to it anyway? Because that's what the first one did to me.
The odds Bay is going to change the formula of the first film and make something I'd consider watchable at this point are slim to none.
Nope. I swore off these films after getting burned the first time.
nah, I wasn't joking. But more importantly, I'm not saying the first Transformers was a masterpiece. I gave it a 6.5/10 rating because it had a lot of BIG problems with it.
But ya, to enjoy this film, you have to take it in for what it was despite the problems. The second time around watching the movie, I enjoyed it so much more than the first because I already knew the things that bothered me and it helped me partly look past it... Except for John Turturro's character who will forever drive me nuts.
What is with all the taking-it-personal harshness. You pity me? For what... being able to enjoy a movie that's not perfect? Thanks.
@ Bill Blume,
You're totally right dude, we've had that point brought up a few points on transformers threads here. There was no need for that nonsense and it was out of place in this movie where it should of been okay for young kids to see it as there's no blood, its robots vs. robots with two swear words and no nudity. The writers screwed up big time there.
@ jerseycajun,
I see your point but personally I did care about the good guys in some of the transformer-centric moments in the last act. One example is on the highway when they're escorting Sam & Cube to the city, Optimus drops back to hold off the Decepticon(s) by himself... the way that scene played out, no words were necessary, all actions. Another is in the city at the end when Ironhid gets bumblebee to help him pick up the vehicle and basically sacrifice themselves to protect the ppl in the streets. A third point is when Ratchet and Ironhide are taking shots everwhere to help Sam get to the building.
Those moments, especially watching it a second and third time really let me feel for them. Maybe that's just me.
It's still a 6.5/10 for me, so there were massive problems as we all know.
Same here, I'm not seeing Friday the 13th in theaters so I'm hoping it pops up that day online and we can post it here.
And, I also hope the plot is more focused like you say... at least we should have much more of the screen time dedicated to the real stars of the film. We really need to see the Decepticons communicate with each other and develop them.
The Rake
http://thefilmnest.com/2009/02/christian-bale-b...
Vic
I guess, by that time of the film, it was a little late for sudden character development of the robots. It was too little, too late. Perhaps I would have felt something in those moments if we knew more about the characters before that happened (as I recall, those moments felt like forced and maybe even cheap attempts to rectify characters that had no decent development thus far, kinda like what happened with Jazz. Just too perfunctory to hold weight, in my opinion.
I'm glad you got something out of it, though. For the record, my rating was 1/10, mostly for Shia Laboeuf who actually seemed like the only actor who gave a damn in his attempts to give his part the best polish he could. He's a good actor, and it makes me wish he'd take on something that would test his abilities, do something that pushes his limits.
Those examples I mentioned are just some I found. All the scenes with the Transformers (minus the stupid hiding in his backyard crap) show us the type of character they are starting obviously with their introduction where they literally tell you what each of their role is.
We know Bumblebee is the loyal protector always there and always willing to sacrifice himself - When he gets captured you know Jazz is more quick to act before thinking, he's the little-but-tough guy like the Wolverine in the group. In that same scene Optimus' lecture shows him as the wise and patient strategist but also as one who will stop at nothing to help the humans as we saw him do all throughout the film.
I didn't think there was lack of characterization of the 5 Autobots - It's blatantly obvious what each of them is like from the get-go of their introduction. The problem was that we just didn't see enough of them... budgetary reasons explain that. Another big problem is that they didn't do any of that for the Decepticons as they have no characterization at all other than showing Frenzy as an annoying idiot and Megatron as always bitter. I guess we could attribute that also to budgetary reasons and them trying to balance between screen time and story between the bad bots and good bots.
In that aspect, it felt more like a live action test to see if it can be done and I hope the sequel does it properly... or at least much better.
For me, many of the weak parts come with the human characters who they seemed to be thrown in to fill out the movie running time while not having enough cash to CGI the bots throughout the entire flick.
The cop was dumb, Turtorro was horrible, the Australian supermodel hacker was ridiculous, John Voight keeps getting worse, etc. etc. Basically, too many far-unrealistic characters that we can't relate to.
The outline of the story was there... as best as it can be for alien robot transformers fighting for a cube on our planet... The screenplay brought this down and I guess that's the fault of the writers as loyal Screen Rant reader Flamestrike would gladly point out :)
I think there's too many people on the hate train... 1/10 as the case and point here. There were tons of far worse films out that year and since but if aint your cup of tea, that's totally cool as long as you're not bashing it for it being different from the original cartoon.
Then I don't understand how you can "pity" me for anything on a movie blog discussing a teaser trailer... a very powerful word used very inappropriately.
And yeap, everything you're saying about screen time I said above too.
The way I see it, a good judge of whether or not they've done a good job developing characters in a movie is if the screen time they've been given feels "right". We both agree the transformers needed a lot more in that department, and I would argue that it stems from a severe lack of said development.
What you're describing to me of the characters in the film is not so much character development as it is caricature and stereotype. Their behavior when they 'sacrifice' stems not from their character and internal fortitude, but because that's how the screenwriters perceived that the universal 'hero' should act.
Like I said, I'm glad you found it to be more engrossing than I did, because that means at least one of us got our money's worth.
As for Independence Day, that's about a 3/10 - it at least had action scenes which could be followed technically.
Terminator 3, I'd give about a 6 or 7 because the dialog was at least serviceable and the actors (except for Arnie for the first time in this series, strangely enough - but that may be due to the writers, I'm thinking) pulled off their characters believably. That's in addition to the action scenes were well put together and solid, if not terribly original.
Transformers couldn't even put together an action scene where the movement was coherent. Even in the trailer for "ROTF" (all it needs is an "L", right?) the movement was in so many different directions at once, the eye can't focus on what's going on, and this plagued the action scenes in the first film as well. That's in addition to the scenes being shot too up close to huge robots, and editing that made it all but impossible to place where each character was in relationship to the others. In other words, it was chaos when scenes like this at their best only fool you into believing chaos is going on, but in reality the shots (when done right) are very well planned to give off that illusion while keeping the audience up to speed on relative location subconsciously.
I will say that ILM did their job in bringing realism to the robots, and maybe I'll spot the film an extra half-point for that, but their work was largely thrown away by every other technical aspect of the film which detracted from it.
So, it didn't bring the goods for me technically, emotionally (certainly not intellectually, but I never expected that), with humor (Turturo, Voight and the script made sure of that), or in any other way that matters when watching films in general - for me. There you have it.
The crazy bourne-style close-up shakey cam was another big problem in a lot of the fight sequences.
I hope that's addressed majorly in the sequel to. The teaser at least showed wider distanced shots so that's a glimmer of hope.
I was trying to be nice, Flamestrike isn't impressed with me to say the least.
I deleted Shodan's comment. Reminder to everyone, I will not allow comments that include personal insults, even if the rest of your comment may make good points.
Vic
You probably know this by now but that giant wheeled bot is part of Devastator. His name is Demolisher and those tires are treads that change shape.
Check it out and all of the other Constructicons here:
http://screenrant.com/transformers-2-robots-pic...