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If we're going to talk about what WB wants, it might help if you have a source from WB actually telling you as opposed to making an assumption. WB WANTS a successful film, and wont want to mess around a second time, that's rather obvious. But what has a higher likelihood of success? Some unknown face in the role again who could bomb like Routh? Some big name star that people see as "Famous actor in Superman suit?" Or a guy who has a massive built in fan base (Google him and have a translator handy), is "known" but known for playing Clark Kent, and the show where he plays him isnt that widely known where 70% of the film's general audience likely wont know enough about Smallville either way to prejudge the film. And those that do likely have the mental capacity to separate the two.
Remember Kenneth Branagh? Played Hamlet in the film in the 1990's? He also played the same character on stage for years in England at the world's most famous theater. Yet had a whole new cast around him.
Oh and while we're on the subject of cult TV followings into film, while X-Files tanked for obvious reasons (huge time gap between shows end and movie debut), that formula worked out pretty darn well for Star Trek. Just sayin'
DONT take down the MOS header until we have something official one way or the other.
It just makes more sense .
Its a shame, I didnt think he did anything wrong, I think he pulled it off.
That said, I disagree about Warner not needing Superman. Superman, like the other movies you mentioned, can be exploited on so many marketing and media levels that another film, if successful, can't hurt their bottom line. If the trend of people going to the movies in tough economic times holds (as it almost always does), it wouldn't hurt to have another good film ready.
Personally, Warner Brothers should have just went with Grant Morrison and based the film off of All Star Superman. But, what do I know, its not like that book is a best selling, award winning book, right?
First, if someone was a fan of the show and saw the star of Smallville was the star of the movie, they may come to expect "Smallville: The Movie." They get there, see other roles recast, events from the series ignored or contradicted, and their expectations color their perceptions. This leads to the movie getting attacked for not following on as the fans expected it to, and could hurt the earnings of the movie.
Second, someone who never bothered with the series sees that show's star reprising his role in the movie. They may decide not to bother with it as they don't want to go into a movie with so much backstory to it and end up feeling lost. Now, this is not guaranteed to happen as Star Trek didn't suffer from that, but Star Trek also didn't have the ongoing story lines that have become so common these days.
Third, and I'll admit this is the least likely of the three, someone like me, who hates Smallville sees it's star as the star of the new Superman movie, and decides not to bother with it because of the perceived ties to the series. I don't know how many people like me there are, but when the series premiered, there were a number of us who were determined to boycott the show. Whether they all still feel that way, whether the numbers were that large to begin with, I won't speculate, but they did, and may still, exist.
A casting choice that could be perceived as tying the new movie to Smallville could be disastrous for the movie's earnings. It seems to me that it's definitely safer to cast someone new in the role.
I can vouch for the fact that this is not just based on opinion and there is in fact a source. As of right now everything in this article is ACCURATE.
Vic
the movie Superman Of 1978 just doesnt work any more .
It is Sad but true.
WB is going forward with a "revamp" ie "reboot". They aren't going to want to bring the Smallville universe onto the big screen, and in my opinion you can't have one without the other. Just like you can't just have Brandon Routh as Superman and go in a different direction. Routh's Superman has a kid, remember?
No amount of "mind-erasing kissing" or "flying circles around earth" will erase or change that Tom Welling brings the Smallville Universe and Brandon Routh brings Singerverse.
~SHOW~
To which I say
WATCHMEN, WATCHMEN, WATCHMEN !!!!
Bring on those loveable, dysfunctional, sociopaths and lets see how it really will be WATCHing this kind of "super-hero" movie
its because he has verified it with a reliable source.
would you go see a Watchmen sequel?
Prequel?
just curious.
I didn't write this, one of my guys did. But you should know that I personally think that Tom Welling would make a GREAT Superman - problem is the Smallville connection/baggage.
I think it's a bummer, myself, especially as I think he's really going to come into his own this season on the show.
Vic
I was responding to Helena
who referred to the author as Mr.Screenrant.
sorry about that jaime.
I do agree that he's been portrayed as kind of a boring character - and the problem is that the attempts to humanize him or show internal conflict have made him seem weak and weepy.
I'd rather see him struggle against the idea of using his power to just take everything over and "rule" us instead of getting all goofy over Lois Lane.
Vic
and somehow convinced Superman at least temporarily that humanity needs an iron fist rather then a velvet glove.
then if you have a source on something like that, which you are so intent on emphatically putting out there, why not cite the source? Even if it's just "Studio sources." I've been doing journalism for a LONG time and your piece reads like an editorial at best, and at worst a fanboy rant that belongs in a superhero forum.
I will leave it up to Jamie (the author of this post) to defend his position once he gets back online.
Vic
And yes, every time we see Supes, he's up against someone with Kryptonite in his back pocket.
Back when Doomsday killed Supes, Clark came back eventually, and was very fragile, as in, very human.
Anyone remember the cover art, with Clark with long flowing hair, swinging around on a rope to rescue someone?
I think someone has to write up a script that somehow incorporates a microscopic sliver of, yes, Kryptonite, that gets permanently embedded in his body and tones down his invulnerability.
Just a thought.
Sorry if you don't like it, but that's what's going on with the SUPERMAN film franchise.
Jamie.
What would you consider proof? It's kind of a no-win question for the author. If he drops a name he could lose not just a valuable source but a level of reputation. It's a pointless exercise to try to press for that kind of verification. In most instances an answer won't be dignified. Beyond that I guess you'll have to explain yourselves. Remember the power of the press is owning one. Your certainly free to own one, if your able.
A reputation is built over time. Since no one is perfect having a platinum one is very, very hard. If you must judge at least hang around for a year then make your case. Of course, "the errors of the leaders are amplified by the numbers that follow without question." So please don't think I'm vilifying anyone for asking.. Just wondering how you think the question can be answered. 8)
This is TV and MOVIE News Without The Sugar Coating!! Jamie definitely scraped the sugar off the toast this time!
Time, as in all matters, will be the telling factor gang!
thanks for the post. :D
I at least want to hear more of what Millar's take is, and my fingers are still crossed for him and that "big director" (feels funny typing that) to come thru this December. (Millar's work on the Superman Adventures book back in the nineties got me into Superman as a kid, I loved his work on that book and would be thrilled to see that version of Superman on the big screen)
Are you sure tho, that WB will get another unknown cast as Supes in the new film? It seemed as tho Wb went thru a rather exhaustive search for Brandon Routh when casting Superman Returns, and with their dissapointment with the film, I wouldn't be surprised if they cast a big name as Supes. I'd be pretty ticked tho, cuz, quite frankly, from where I sit, there isn't a big name actor out there that I can think of that's right for the part. And, looking at Superman's film and TV history, a "BIG name" actor has NEVER played Superman, there have been good choices and bad choices for the role but no famous ones. I don't think they need a big name for it to be good and/or successful, and Superman's movie and TV past is a testament to that.
That said, who do you think could play Superman in the reboot? (I'll be back with my list later :D)
Also, I strongly think that the new film should be an origin. I'll post my reasons why some other time.
TTYL and thanks again for the post. :)
It'd be cool to see him as Supes, but he isn't interested in the character and WB should start fresh.
I saw no problem with Brandon Routh. The last film, IMHO, suffered because there wasn't enough action. I felt the super-kid angle just didn't work and Lois just wasn't as journalistic as the Lois from previous movies. And no more Lex Luther, at least not as the main villian.
Hells yeah! Let him do it! A man that basically made what we know as blockbusters, directing one of the biggest icons of film? I'd pay double the ticket price to see it once! I mean, come on! The only reason I didn't like Indy 4 was because Spielberg did what he does with every franchise; bring it back to aliens. HIs fascination with the extra-terrestrial(anyone see ET?) dominates his curiosties. I mean, if he did a sequel to Schindler's list, he'd probably reveal that the Nazi leaders were all replaced by evil aliens. The only problem is, this is all out of place. Aliens don't belong in WWII dramas, or in Indiana Jones movies. But Superman is an alien! Its perfect! He was born to make this movie! I say give the man that made Hollywood what it is today(love him or hate him) a chance!
If the WB knows what they are doing they will waste no time, and hire good writers, and cast Tom Welling & Erica Durance as Lois & Clark, and give this generation their SUPERMAN.
If not the next guy will fail much like how Brandon "BJ" Routh failed.
A new face for Superman makes sense, it would get millions to see it just to see if the new actor is good so that is very valid. But again WB is going to be very careful with who they choose and their future Director.
One final note, it seems that everyone wonders why not choose Brandon Routh of Tom Welling, the thing is that we are all, not just Warner Bros., we are all looking for a new Christopher Reeve, the best Superman of them all, and as much as I would love to see it, it will never happen.
God rest Christopher Reeve, may he be walking once again in Heaven.
In any case, having Tom Welling be superman would not be "Smallville: The Movie" because...I highly doubt they would cast EVERY Smallville actor...obviously. Therefore, it would be looked at as two completely seperate things.
On the other hand, as much as I would love seeing Tom play out Clark Kent's destiny as Superman...it would be odd not having Erica Durance as Lois and Michael Rosenbaum as Lex...etc.
So they might as well just pick someone completely differen.
true story.
...and we all love him! =)
Tom Welling doesn't come accross as Superman to me.
Brandon Routh is better (IMO).
The show Lois and Clark was just total crap...
No, not by everyone it wouldn't. Maybe by the studio, maybe by some of the movie going audience, but there are those would wouldn't separate them. I happen to be among them.
"and we all love him!"
I guess I'm not part of this generation, then because I feel pretty much the opposite of that.
October 23rd, 2008
"I agree with whoever said that Tom Welling is this generation’s Clark Kent.
true story.
…and we all love him! =)"
WHAT? NO, Welling is NO Superman to me and MANY people, at all; he is ok as young Clark Kent in Smallville, but that's it, imo.
Brandon Routh IS Superman. He is the ONLY one I want to see in the tights and cape. He Is The Man for the job. Keep him, WB! Otherwise, I and many fans won't support the next S movie.
Brandon Routh is the face of emo... He is not SUPERMAN, and never will be!
His suit looked like a cheap Halloween/Hooker outfit! And he looks like a total Fruit caKe!
Tom Welling looks like SUPERMAN! Like if he had just stepped out of the pages of DC.
That's it! Maybe Chloe if you want to bring her along to... But the rest of the cast can be changed for the main characters are the only one's needed.
The mother is off becoming a state senator, and the dad is dead.
So who else matters?
He's great for the Angst ridden tv version of Supes, but not for the movies...
+ I think he's stated that he has no intention of playing Superman for the rest of his life...
While an origins story seems odd to me, I do think things need a reboot of sorts and can't see another way to go about it. And I have no issue with Routh either. I thought he did a fine job in a poor movie.